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Bill: Naval Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Aster Federation Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3258
Description[?]:
| In order to save the Jelibanian People many billions of taxpayer funds, this bill has been put forward for proposal,eliminating costly, ineffective, and obsolete units from Jelbania's Navy. The core aim is to scrap the two battleships named Rilmos and Stephen Kennedy IV and instead focus on giving Jelbania a strong fleet of Offshore Patrol Vessels (OPV's) and a carrier which actually will float. The current carrier design, submitted by Pittwater Cove Industries, has been proven to be unstable and not conventional by most means. Therefore we ask that a conglomerate of nationally owned defense contractors share the industry with the private firms which has been answered and we hope keep in such manner. Original Tonnage- 2,041,000 tons Desired Tonnage- 1,020,500 tons Removed items- 2 Rilmos Super-Battleships(To be scrapped),3 Stalingrad-IVs(Two to be sold, one to be scrapped),8 Stalingrad-Vs,16 Slava Cruisers (10 to be scrapped, 2 to be sunk by SINEX and 4 placed in reserve) and 2 Typhoon Submarines (to be recycled and dismantled). Removed Tonnage- 972,000 Retained Tonnage- 1,059,000 Retained Items- 4 Nimitz Carriers, 6 Charles De Gaulle Carriers, 2 Stalingrad-V (retained solely for training purposes and as home fleet flagship),24 Udaloy-II Destroyers,40 Admiral Gorshov Frigates,52 Steguschimy Corvettes, 8 Akula Submarines and 22 Kilo Submarines Replacements (items replaced in brackets)- 12 Guided Missile Cruisers of a displacement not greater than 12,000 tons and no less than 9,000 tons. Cruisers are to be a Jelbanian indigenous design (replacing 16 Slava Cruisers), 9 Admiral Gorshov Frigates, 23 Steguschimy Corvettes, 3 new SSBN's that are between the tonnage of 7,500 and 12,500 tons(surfaced). These Submarines are to be a Jelbanian indigenous design (replacing 2 Typhoon SSBNs) and 2 Kilo Submarines. Also in 10 years the first of the Udaloy-II Class Destroyers will be obsolete, necessitating a new class of 20-25 new destroyers in the 9000-7000 ton range. These Destroyers are to be a Jelbanian indigenous design (replacing 24 Udaloy-II Destroyers). Also to free up large combatants from patrol, a suggested 30-45 patrol vessels that span the 400-1900 ton gap. These patrol vessels are to be a Jelbanian indigenous design. Estimated Replacement tonnage-337,700 absolute minimum to a maximum of 578,600 tons Whilst the replacement tonnage is just in excess of half of the removed tonnage, pause for a moment to consider that the removed obsolete battleships and battle-cruisers together made up 80% of the tonnage. That's 776,000 tons replaced by useful and advanced warships that are new, cheaper, less exhaustive and most importantly Jelbanian. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:01:31, February 11, 2012 CET | From |  Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | The J-13 is a battleship design 63,000 tons,with 4 16 inchers,10 missle Launchers,Nuclear Reacor,and 32 knots. |
| Date | 12:23:49, February 11, 2012 CET | From | Aster Federation Party | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | Why does the JLF insist on being childish and foolish with the expenditure of taxpayer funds? |
| Date | 12:35:22, February 11, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | Hypermilitarized! |
| Date | 23:36:33, February 11, 2012 CET | From | Jelbania Nationalist Workers | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | i could get behind this idea if a new upgraded carrier fleet was put into action, CDG carriers are too small and less mobile. Maybe 2 or 3 Gerald R Ford class carriers to upgrade our fleet. It is in the opion of the JNW that only with more a more mobile navy, can we keep up with the rest of the nations. |
| Date | 05:45:25, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Aster Federation Party | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | We could instigate a replacement policy for the Charles De Gaule class aircraft carriers to be replaced at the end of their useful lives with the suggested 3 Gerald R Ford class carriers with an option for a fourth and for the mean time upgrading and overhauling the Nimtiz Class. We thank the JNW for being so like minded in these affairs |
| Date | 05:53:46, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | Will you replace the 2Stalimgrad-Vs with the J-13 design at the emd of their useful career? |
| Date | 06:13:09, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Aster Federation Party | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | No, by the end of the Stalingrad-V's life (in th next 25-30 years) it will probably be replaced the best naval technology has to offer at that time |
| Date | 06:20:01, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | What woll they be probably replaced by? |
| Date | 06:21:41, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Aster Federation Party | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | In the timeframe mentioned it will be impossible to speculate on what but something of 15,000-25,000 tons preferably |
| Date | 06:29:10, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | Kirov type missle shops? |
| Date | 06:29:29, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | Or expies of RA2's drednought? |
| Date | 06:33:49, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Aster Federation Party | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | Certainly no |
| Date | 06:36:07, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | What is the bestVideo game or RLVanalouge? |
| Date | 06:38:45, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Aster Federation Party | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | -to re-inforce "In the timeframe mentioned it will be impossible to speculate on what " as the shape of modern naval technology is fluid and is likely to to be unrecognizable in even 15 years (Red Alert two is very/extremely unrealistic) |
| Date | 06:45:18, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | The Drednought is an arsenal ship in apl but name. |
| Date | 06:48:14, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Aster Federation Party | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | Our point stands that they will not be replaced by Dreadnoughts,Arsenal Ships or Battlecruisers |
| Date | 07:00:07, February 12, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | The Shapir is worthless as one Lodamese Dollar is 100 billio. shapirs. |
| Date | 02:21:33, February 13, 2012 CET | From | Aster Federation Party | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | That is related how? |
| Date | 12:55:47, February 14, 2012 CET | From | Jelbanian Liberty Front | To | Debating the Naval Bill |
| Message | Because the Shapir's state is a issue for all of us! |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 624 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 76 |
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