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Bill: Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation
Details
Submitted by[?]: Capitalizt Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 2155
Description[?]:
| Recognizing that forcing people to travel collective by forbidding them to have more than one car, recognizing that it is not just a moral but also an economical failure, we ask for a more human policy that encourages and not forces people to travel collective. Give people freedom to choose. If they are forced to have more than one car being a numerous familiy, or they just want more than one car for whatever reason, why can't they? Changes won't be radical as the abovementioned encouragements will keep things changing slowly, in a manner the system can easily adapt to a new transport compliance. Anything to add to make it more satisfying? |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:41:11, November 30, 2005 CET | From |  Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | Will this go away if i start wearing garlic? |
| Date | 18:50:46, November 30, 2005 CET | From |  Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | A yes vote will make this go away for a long time. |
| Date | 20:32:25, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Deltarian Nationalist Party | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | No it wont, in another few days time there will be a proposal again to make it one car per household! Ban all cars! |
| Date | 16:04:58, December 02, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | TPoH, this will pass, and its effects will be here to stay. Maybe not forever, but as L-PU says, surely for a long time. And, you can even bombard my house with garlic shells. This won't go away. |
| Date | 00:05:02, December 03, 2005 CET | From | We Say So! Party | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | We have been considering this point for a while, expecting it to come up again, and have come up with arguements both in favour of change and against. After much consideration, we have decided that there is no requirement for any change to the current legislation. Cars are large vehicles that produce large amounts of waste products that are harmful to the environment and to citizens, not to mention the problems with traffic congestion merely increasin the risks of the aforementioned environmental effects. We also took into account the idea of individual transport against collective public transport, and again found no reason to change the law. A single household is allowed only one car, and though in theory this may be a problem, in practice it would not be. There is no law banning any other forms of individual or collective transport. So households have only 1 car, that really isn't a large problem. Should said car be in use other members of that household can still travel, either via public transport, or by other means of individual transportation (i.e. bikes, scooters, motorcycles, foot etc) the requirement to own multiple cars is not a large one, and so we feel no need to change the current legislation. |
| Date | 16:45:50, December 04, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | Your considerations badly backfire, WSS!P. 1) Okay, cars are smelly and harmful to environment. Still, it's citizen freedom wheter to pollute or not. We just want to encourage him with tax incentives on friendly fueled cars, but never force him. 2) This is the point that backfires. It backfires because you previously stated it would have been dangerous to change the policy everytime. Then I said citizens don't buy cars like sweets, and collective transport incentives should limit an eventual car boom anyway. Now you state that other members can travel with other means of individual transportation (plus, aren't scooters and motorcycles as polluting as cars?), plus you'd make people even travel by foot because they can't have another car. Sounds quite harsh. Then there is a moral reason, i.e. freedom. Simply why owning more than one car is an offence? Is being rich an offence? Whatever the requirement to own multiple cars is not a large one, why forbidding it? |
| Date | 16:48:22, December 04, 2005 CET | From | Capitalizt Party | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | Errata corrige 1) "members" is obviously "family members" 2) It backfires because you once say it is dangerous to change the policy everytime, then you say there's not a great need to own multiple cars. That was the point. |
| Date | 18:31:07, December 04, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | I really don't think pollution is a problem in Hobrazia due to our moderate pollution restrictions on industry or lack of industry all together. Also the pollution laws do not extend to or include car exhaust so pollution in itself is not a solid reason to oppose multiple cars . Also our population is increasing, and through either public transport such as environmentally friendly busses, or scooter chaos due to the need for transportation, we cannot maintain the current law. |
| Date | 13:33:44, December 05, 2005 CET | From | Liberal-Progressive Union | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | Are we going to vote on this? |
| Date | 20:15:55, December 12, 2005 CET | From | United Blobs | To | Debating the Private Cars, the Dream of a whole Nation |
| Message | *Waits until someone comments on my vote* |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 117 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 156 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 127 |
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