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Bill: RPP: Honour Act - B001 - 3268, Nov
Details
Submitted by[?]: Red Police Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3270
Description[?]:
| "Simply put, this legislation will right some of the previously missed laws of our great nation. It is time that we restore honour in these regards, and bring to the bear of legality some of the acts which have previously been allowed or even encouraged. We must remain modest, we shall remain prudent and we will keep our honour with this bill." - Cyril Clark, Minister of Internal Affairs "Who sows virtue reaps honor." - Unknown Author (OOC: Leonardo da Vinci ) Whereas: 1 - Current laws allow for public nudity, a law in which honor is not conveyed 2 - Current laws do not stop descration against our national flag, an act that fails to honour this great nation Therefore, let it be resolved that: |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National policy regarding the desecration of the national flag.
Old value:: There are no regulations regarding the desecration or use of the national flag.
Current: The national flag may not be used for commercial purposes.
Proposed: The national flag may not be desecrated or dishonoured.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:00:28, March 06, 2012 CET | From | Red Police Party | To | Debating the RPP: Honour Act - B001 - 3268, Nov |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We would like to open debate on this act. |
| Date | 00:57:48, March 06, 2012 CET | From | Catholic Political Union | To | Debating the RPP: Honour Act - B001 - 3268, Nov |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We deplore seeing our national flag being desecrated and believe that if people have a point, there are much better ways of expressing themselves. Nevertheless, we shy away from imposing a legal prohibition upon the practice. The police have more important matters do deal with. Also, there is a freedom of expression issue at stake. We share the RPP's disapproval of publc nudity, and would support a ban on it. However, we would not object to making an allowance for naturist camps. Although we are not keen on these naturist camps, we do not support forcing them all to close. |
| Date | 01:13:24, March 06, 2012 CET | From | Red Police Party | To | Debating the RPP: Honour Act - B001 - 3268, Nov |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, For the sake of political comprimise, we are willing to amend article 2 to allow nudist colonies and private nude beaches. We are, unfortunately, unwilling to waver on Article 1. Freedom of expression is a right guarenteed, but it does not extend to harming our national flag. That is a law that is needed, and a moral step up for our citizens at large. Believe me, the police will love to charge the criminals who burn our flag and will not intefer in their regular duty, as we believe that the descration of the flag barely happens. Should it happen though, we must not allow it. |
| Date | 11:37:22, March 06, 2012 CET | From | Catholic Political Union | To | Debating the RPP: Honour Act - B001 - 3268, Nov |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We encourage the RPP to separate this into 2 Bills, so we can vote for one and against the other rather. |
| Date | 18:44:54, March 06, 2012 CET | From | Communist Party of Telamon | To | Debating the RPP: Honour Act - B001 - 3268, Nov |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We are in complete agreement. Allthough for fairness sake we say, split the bill. |
| Date | 19:54:04, March 06, 2012 CET | From | Red Police Party | To | Debating the RPP: Honour Act - B001 - 3268, Nov |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, As the CPU and CPT have requested, we will continue working for political comprimise and split the bills. |
| Date | 23:04:42, March 07, 2012 CET | From | United Liberal Alliance | To | Debating the RPP: Honour Act - B001 - 3268, Nov |
| Message | Mr Speaker, We hold freedom of speech and freedom of expression to be inalienable human rights which no government or legislature has the right to remove. We therefore cannot support this bill as passing such a law would set Telamon back on the slippery slope towards authoritarianism. What would come next? A law against desecrating images of the country's politicians? A law restricting criticism of the government? No, we cannot support this misguided bill. Whilst we agree that citizens should be encouraged to take pride in their nation and show respect this cannot be imposed by laws in any society which seeks to call itself free and democratic. Charles Fox ULA Leader |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 117 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 326 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 157 |
| Random fact: Did you know you can change the official name of your nation? All you need to do is draw up a new name that is in accordance with the Nation Renaming Guide, pass a bill proposing the name change with a two-thirds majority and then post a request to Moderation on the "Renaming Requests" thread. You can change city and region names in this way too. |
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