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Bill: RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June
Details
Submitted by[?]: Red Police Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: May 3274
Description[?]:
| "We must remain wary of the dangers to our protectors, to the dangers facing the brave men and women who stand in harm's way every single day. To have military back-up is a measure that will allow the police force to remain a threat to criminality and a threat to illegal activities. No longer will criminals think that they can shoot a way out of a situation, because should they try, the military will be ready to support the police, if it is needed. "Additionally, this legislation terminates the small ill-equipped police forces that plague our society and people. Now, we will have the national protection that will protect our citizens equally and with the same training for all officers regardless of whether they are protecting a city or a country home." -- Minister of Internal Affairs, Lisa Baldwin WHEREAS: - The current laws do not let the military help police until it is too late - The current laws have un-needed and ill-equipped small and disorganized police forces working differently in different areas THEREFORE, LET IT BE RESOLVED THAT: |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place, backed up by the military.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the organization of police/law enforcement
Old value:: There is a national police department funded by the national government and there are local police departments, funded by local governments.
Current: There is a national police department, funded by the government.
Proposed: There is a national police department, funded by the government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:45:44, March 13, 2012 CET | From | Red Police Party | To | Debating the RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We open debate on this bill. |
| Date | 02:07:39, March 13, 2012 CET | From | Democratic Action Party | To | Debating the RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The continuing concentration of power in the hands of the police is deeply troubling. There is nothing in this bill that will improve public safety, and everything that will serve your bald-faced power-grabs. This is ridiculous fascist garbage and should be treated as such. |
| Date | 02:11:16, March 13, 2012 CET | From | Red Police Party | To | Debating the RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We are deeply insulted by the Democratic Action Party and request an apology. How is this bill anything but furthering security for our citizens? We now will not only have the police helping protect our citizens regularly, but also the military. Article 2, is a much-needed shortening of the police departments. Too much money is being sifoned into small, ill-equipped and not uniformly trained police departments for small parts. Every citizen in this great nation deserves an equal police force as another part. This bill enables unformity and equality in our protection services. |
| Date | 02:20:02, March 13, 2012 CET | From | Democratic Action Party | To | Debating the RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, If anyone in the Red Police Party is holding their breath in anticipation of an apology, they had better have taken a very deep initial breath. 'Security' is curiously synonymous 'concentrating more power in the hands of the Red Police Party.' If the nation is not already safe with a massive police force armed with military-grade weapons, then I repeat my call for the RPP to cease meddling in politics and let someone who doesn't need to crush all autonomy to ensure the safety of out citizens make a decent attempt. |
| Date | 02:25:17, March 13, 2012 CET | From | Red Police Party | To | Debating the RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We find the forgiveness of the DAP overwhelming. It is strange though, that the Democratic Action Party, who obviously feel so strongly about this bill, have yet to make a rational argument against it. Instead, they rely on attempting to muddle the waters in Parliament by insulting the Red Police Party time and time again. We'd like to remind the DAP, that we have actual reasons for wanting this bill to go through, and it isn't to simply see a party lose a debate. We actually care about our citizens, something the DAP need to work on by the look of this 'debate'. Perhaps they would make more headway in elections if they actually tried using their heads, Mr. Speaker? Insulting people never did get anyone very far. |
| Date | 02:43:42, March 13, 2012 CET | From | Democratic Action Party | To | Debating the RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, A portion of our argument is to call to light to worrying trend of concentration of police powers in the hands of a particular political party, and of the continual increase in the militarization of the police and their duties. If crime were truly so uncontrollable as the RPP would have us all believe, then we would surely all have been killed ages ago by massive crowds of rioting anarchists. There is no need to abolish local police forces, or to concentrate the enforcement powers in the hands of a national agency. Having local police forces complements a national police force, letting the first focus on crimes of a purely local nature, and letting the second combat national crime, like smuggling, crime syndicates, and so on. Creating one monolithic national force will only serve to eliminate those local forces that are well-trained and staffed, and cause the current national force to be spread thinner, policing areas already well-served., instead of concentrating them where they are most needed. If local forces are inadequate to local conditions, then they can be supplemented on an as-needed basis by the national force. This provides flexibility, as opposed to the rigid structure of a solely national force. Local police forces can certainly do no great harm, and much good. |
| Date | 03:05:00, March 13, 2012 CET | From | Red Police Party | To | Debating the RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, No local police department is being completely eliminated, much against the DAP's views on the legislation. What happens is that all the police forces are unitilized into one larger, more competent, better equipped, equally trained and strong unilateral force. This will penetrate all areas of crime, and we will undoubtably see crime rates drop even more. Local polices do harm by creating friction between levels of police and by creating inequal circumstances between jurisdictions and city and rural policing. With identical national police in all locations, we streamline the process and reaffirm the safety of our citizens. In regards to the Democratic Action Party, we are not concentrating any powers. We are simply attempting to further the security and safety of all citizens. The Red Police Party is simply mandated to give the viewpoint of our many military and police officers and lovers, including families and simply advocates of the military. If we do not stop trying to make ourselves better, better protected and better secure, then we will never achieve a society where justice is everywhere and law is final. The lives of our citizens and the lives of the brave men and women who protect those citizens are at stake here. This is much more than politics, this is life or death. We hope Parliament believes in the need of protection as much as we do. |
| Date | 11:47:36, March 13, 2012 CET | From | Catholic Political Union | To | Debating the RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We remain completely opposed to this proposal. Telamon needs a professional civilian police force. We should not blur over the roles of the army and police. That is dangerous. |
| Date | 17:06:17, March 13, 2012 CET | From | Red Police Party | To | Debating the RPP: Police Size & Reinforcement Act - B001 - 3272, June |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I see no blurring happening with this bill. In fact, the old law was more blurred. Who decided if it was a "serious emergency"? Those calls are always made after the fact, when it is too late for our military to help the police at all. This law simply states that the military may assist the police if needed, no blurs there. Additionally, we still have a professional civilian police force. Nobody is against that, but what we need is uniformity in our training, in our equipping and in our regulation and jurisdiction of the police levels. One policy agency is all that is needed, and having the military as a back-up is simply adjusting the old law to something everyone can understand. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 218 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 280 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 102 |
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