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Bill: Ratification of the The International Monarchist League
Details
Submitted by[?]: Meritocratic Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3276
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the <a href="viewtreaty.php?treatyid=1054">The International Monarchist League</a>. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. This bill gives us greater safety and stability by tying us closer to the IML. We join a community of powerful, stable nations who shall not attack one another. Surely that alone is good grounds for acceptance. Please vote on your conscience. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the The International Monarchist League.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:51:30, March 19, 2012 CET | From |  Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | "Centuries of Solentian independence and neutrality murdered by the monarchists and their lackeys who seek Crown approval in order to further their own power. This bill is the most un-Solentian proposal in memory; one which will strip our nation of an independent foreign policy in favor of one mandated by imperialist monarchs. "Even the Unionists, who are the Crowns' longtime allies, must see that the Crowns are not merely controlling the monarchy now; with the passage of this bill, Solentia surrenders her sovereignty to foreign powers. "This is the most blatant and treasonous disregard by a government against the Solentian public since the end of the Dual Governance Crisis when the traitor Jack Swindon ran from Solentian justice to begin assaulting the Federal Republic from Quanzar, all the while oppressing minorities and waxing bellicose with the help of Hessexian lunatics in our southern neighbor. "Telling is the fact that during that crisis, the International Monarchist League refused to condemn Swindon, instead choosing to remain silent as he brought Southern Majatra to the brink of war. Quanzar, under the treasonous Crown Restorationists, ignored international laws of sea boundaries, vastly increased war spending, and utilized slave labor in order to begin the construction of a massive wall along the Solentian border. Many slaves and prisoners were reported to have been killed in the construction of the wall, and some unconfirmed reports even accused the Quanzari of bolstering the wall with the bodies of dead workers. (OOC: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=17&t=4118 for Crowns' paper during Quanzari exile.) "Such is the way of the organization which the Crowns wish to tie Solentia to, and to which the Moral Party is playing a perhaps unknowing part. These actions are not Solentian, they are not civilized. They are the actions of an imperialist and bellicose international cabal, one which should never be tolerated upon Solentian shores. We urge our Moral Party colleagues to refuse this bill passage, and we urge all reasonable parties in Solentia to oppose the IML! "OVERTHROW THE MONARCHY! DOWN WITH TRILION THE PRETENDER! FOR THE FEDERAL REPUBLIC! REMEMBER 2406!" Carl d'Orame, 2406 Party Legislative Lead |
| Date | 20:33:29, March 19, 2012 CET | From | Positive Progression Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | Due to arguments made by the 2406 Party, as well as the fact that the IML forbids war against all monarchies (as opposed to just IML members), the Moral Party will change its vote from a yes to an abstain. Should supporters of the IML feel the need to comment on the 2406's ideas, we will be happy to listen as we want what is in Solentia's best. The Moral Party believes this league would take away some of our strength on the world's stage, as non-IML members could take advantange of our weakness of not being able to attack them (if they are a monarchy. Once again, the Moral Party is open t counter-arguments, seeing we just want what is in the best for Solentia. |
| Date | 20:44:07, March 19, 2012 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | *cheers from the 2406 bench* |
| Date | 21:03:34, March 19, 2012 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | I remind the raving gentleman of the numerical party that the Crown Party is a distinct legal entity from the centuries defunct Quanzar Restorationists, and we will not be lied about publically. Was anyone alive here now , alive in those long ago days? It boggles the mind to think that we should one and all be attached to the events of yesteryear, however we feel about them. Are the 24-oh-sixers still members of a party that esposed horrific racial supremcy ideals? Remind me, what was the name of your storied organization in those days. I seem to recall it being the Racial Supremecy Party, or something like that. Any party that feels itself swayed by your arguements could do VERY well for themselves too look into the history of the so called 2406 Party, rather than be deceived by their rhetoric. But really, bygones, and all that.. The IML is not an organization that directs its members. Anyone with a knowledge of history knows that is plain to see. Think of it rather as a fraternity of affluent, stable, peaceful nations with a common form of government. It is almost the 32'nd century, fellow subjects of the crown. Let us act like it and move on from these silly diatribes. Lord Greyhall Crown Party Spokesman and Member of the Curia Regis |
| Date | 21:20:18, March 19, 2012 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | "Thankfully, Mr. Greyhall, I am subject of no crown, and I pay no loyalty to a man with a plastic scepter and delusions of grandeur. I pledge myself to republicanism and elected government, not to 'do all in my power to keep monarchies in power' as the IML would have me do. "Your party's relation to the Quanzari Restorationists is of little consequence besides that it proves the insanity latent in Trilion the Pretender's blood; indeed it is the IML that is the issue here. While neither you nor I was alive during the reign of the psychopath Oswald, the IML was active on the international scene. They did nothing to oppose his lunacy, preferring to 'keep monarchies in power' no matter what tragedies the monarchy was inflicting upon Terra. The IML is an organization with blood on its hands extending backward for nearly a thousand years, and they look upon those years with pride. Theirs is an organization with no place in Solentia. Theirs is an organization with no place on Terra, if truth be told, but that is a battle yet to be waged. IML members have at times been 'affluent,' but their affluence comes from the exploitation of colonial holdings too numerous and neglected to count. They have indeed proved themselves 'stable,' but I would have a thousand haphazard republican administrations, each ruling by the right of the public, than have one consistent monarchy ruling by some claimed divinity or purity of blood. If the monarchs had 'peace,' what point would there be in the IML in the first place? These are a paranoid and expansionist group, imperialist and aggressive in nature. There is no fit for Solentia amongst the crown wearing madmen of Luthori and Hulstria. I yield the floor." Carl d'Orame |
| Date | 21:33:15, March 19, 2012 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | So you now publically insult our neighbors to prove your point. And it's "Lord Greyhall" to you, Mr Orame. Learn how to address your betters. The Foreign Ministry has requested an IML member to speak on behalf of the organization, and if time permits, Godwilling that will take place. We will not get caught up in mudslinging with you, except to apologize to the leaders of various nations that you insult, here. We hope that the world in general recognizes Solentia is a happy land and that most peopel do not behave like the ape-like disturbed crinkle-handed miscreants of the 2406. Lord Greyhall Crown Party Spokesman and Member of the Curia Regis |
| Date | 22:32:32, March 19, 2012 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | "So the 'noble' Crowns would have the IML do their fighting for them, even here, in their own legislature. So be it, there is nothing stopping an IML representative from speaking in these chambers, but remind him well, *Mister* Greyhall: I am an elected representative of the Solentian people. I have earned my place here, and he has earned nothing. The Solentian people will never tolerate foreign kings to dictate Solentian policy. I will die before that happens. I yield the floor." Carl d'Orame |
| Date | 23:45:21, March 19, 2012 CET | From | Positive Progression Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | The Moral Party hopes that an IML member may soon be present. Our main issue is the fact that the treaty regulations apply towards foreign relations towards ALL monarchies, and not just IML members. The Moral Party, seeing how the only the 'debate' occurring was pathetic mudslinging, will retain our vote of abstain until our concerns about the IML treaty's clause,"dethrone or destroy another monarchy, unless they attack my nation". Our vote is slowly leaning towards a 'no', and until the clause is addressed, we feel it may come to that vote. However, we hope that someone can reveal the truth, so we do not lose position in the IML because of a mis-interpretation, which would be well below Solentia. |
| Date | 23:45:59, March 19, 2012 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | Your grace and hospitality to visitors, sir, knows no bounds. -Lord Greyhall |
| Date | 00:28:40, March 20, 2012 CET | From | Positive Progression Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | "The Moral Party has now voted again the Ratification of the International Monarchist League. While the objective the treaty is trying to accomplish is fine, we believe that the way getting to that objective is not. We believe that while trying to create peace, a gate to Solentia may be left open, and people who do not hold the same values as IML members and, those values being peace, may take advantage in the gate we have so foolishly left ajar. In response to the 2406 Party, we thank them for persuading us to what we now see as the truth, that being that a ratification of the IML is not in the best interest of the nation. In response to the Crown Party, we thank them also. We have thought about the history of the 2406ers, however, we believe that truth is not decided by the quality of the truth-teller. However horrible a criminal may be, if he or she says that 2+2=4, the criminal is still telling the truth, regardless of his or her history. The Moral Party sees a ratification of the IML as a possible obstruction to Solentia's defense, and for that reason will vote nay. We strongly hope this does not affect our relationship with the Crown Party or its supporters, as we pray that we may both be able to peacefully accept our differences." Carl Quinn Moral Party Foreign Relations Counselor |
| Date | 00:48:28, March 20, 2012 CET | From | Conservative Party of Solentia | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | *Tumultuous applause from the 2406 bench.* |
| Date | 01:48:13, March 20, 2012 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | "Mr. Speaker, I thank my right honourable friends in the Crown Party for offering to invite our colleagues in the IML to offer counsel on this most important and timely of issues. I also thank my soon-to-be-friends in the Moral Party as they work with us in putting in place a strong and capable Cabinet team. I commend the 2406 Party for their diligence in keeping the Executive branch of the nation to account as a good opposition should and their notes on the history and spirit of the Unionist Party will be warmly appreciated on the blue benches, I'm sure. *mumble of 'Here Here's" from the Unionist benches* On this issue I must first state very clearly that the Unionist Party's priority and the priority of our Ministers in Government is on strong, principled leadership. We believe firmly that the IML has a good record of providing the nations of Terra, in many cases, with good governance. On this, I am sure all members of the House can agree. The concerns of the opposition in relations to the IML and their lack of action during the aftermatch of the Dual Governance scenario, for we on the Unionist branches did not believe it was a 'crisis' as they would have us call it, are legitimate. The IML did not intervene in that debate nor in it's aftermath. What I find perculiar, Mr. Speaker, is that the 2406 Party see that as a bad thing. It is not the place of the IML to intervene in our affairs and by stepping in they would have been in violation of Sovereignty. We therefore applaud the IML for their cautious approach during that time. This record of patient, cautious oversight of the monarchical affairs of member states is something that the Unionist Party respects about the IML. However we are not, at this time, willing to vote in favour of any legislation in this House that would grant them the right of intervention. Let us be clear, however, that our support and respect for the IML continues alongside our support for the King. We thus, abstain and I urge my colleagues on all sides of the House to remember that there is no perfect singular model of governance provided that principle, values and stability are upheld. Thank you." Jason Varn, Shadow Secretary of State for Foreign and IML Affairs |
| Date | 02:09:38, March 20, 2012 CET | From | Meritocratic Alliance | To | Debating the Ratification of the The International Monarchist League |
| Message | We hold no ill will towards any. We asked that people voted their conscience, and that is truly what all have done. I thank you all for your honesty. Lord Greyhall. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 163 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 218 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 44 |
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