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Bill: Welfare state reform.
Details
Submitted by[?]: One Nation Socialist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2150
Description[?]:
| Apparently mopping up the mess a previous ruler left behind. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy regarding child benefit.
Old value:: The state guarantees child benefit to both low-income families and large families.
Current: The state guarantees child benefit to families classified as low-income or poor.
Proposed: The state does not provide child benefit.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:35:03, November 30, 2005 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | stopping people taking advantage of the state, taking it 4 granted. NO MORE NANNY STATE! |
| Date | 21:36:43, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | I agree 100% |
| Date | 21:37:10, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | The Social-conservative party is against this proposal, the children are our future, we shall promote families to have children so that our nation will bloom and prosper, more children means a bigger population, and that is something every state in our condition shall strive for. We shall spend for the future, the future generations, not think selfishly only upon our own generation. |
| Date | 21:59:45, November 30, 2005 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | this bill is about cutting unnessesary spending. Famillies can still have children but just have 2 consider there finances more carefully. I agree in spending 4 the future generation also and hope the money saved will be re-invested in our education system. At the moment people can make quite a nice chunk of money from having a big familly. I don't think our population growth will suffer, so i believe that the next generation should benefit from a well funded education system instead of having large costly famillies that won't guarentee prosperous times. |
| Date | 23:22:03, November 30, 2005 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | We are not a HRRC country that cant handle our population, this act will most definetly decrease childbirth and the growth of the population. Instead of abolishing a system where families get support to support their family, we propose reforms, restrictive if nessesary, more controll and so forth. Not just strike them out of the rights of child benefit that this proposal propose. Here there is no return, with the old system you can reform and make limitations of their money, this new gives them nothing. The proposal says, quite clearly "Proposed: The State does not provide child benefit.". |
| Date | 03:54:35, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Patriot Party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | We'll give our support to the bill. This was one of those welfare programs that has led our economy into a state of ruin. |
| Date | 11:44:31, December 01, 2005 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | i t will make people more aware of there actions. I deally i would have liked 2 of given child benefit 2 those single motheres having their first child but we can't afford that at the current monent. 2 rebuild we must cut unessecary spending wherever possible. |
| Date | 12:56:57, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | (OOC: can you stop writing 2, 4 and such instead of the proper words ?) We fail to see why it is seen as unessesary spendign to make sure families and children can survive.. |
| Date | 13:04:47, December 01, 2005 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | It is ONCP standing 4 1 nation conservative party. y can't u read txt language? But i will right normally from now on as long as u improve ur spelling anyway,(spendign). Famillies can survive independantly. they don't need us mothering and patronizing them. They would benefit more from a better funded education sytem. Further more we are not a wealthy nation and cannot afford the expense the current policy causes. I believe in growing the economy so people can work for a nice life and pension, instead of living off their child benefit in a very healthy way at the expense of a re-developing country. |
| Date | 13:53:26, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | Apparently we shall spend more money on our criminals, giving them education, etc, then we should on the wellbeing of future generations and the opportunity for families to have children without having to bare with a huge economic burden. Something we can't afford is to spend millions of TUK to educate criminals. We can however afford to aid the children, the future, of our society. There shall be laws that tries and shall succeed in stopping the corruption and the ways the people can use the system of child benefit, but we see it as crucial that it shall remain. |
| Date | 14:13:45, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | SCP, corruption will never be stopped. You'll always have corruption. |
| Date | 19:54:07, December 01, 2005 CET | From | Social-Conservative party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | Yes of course, but a government has monopoly on violence, juridical laws and such and can much wiser enforce anti-corruption then private companies. |
| Date | 06:03:43, December 02, 2005 CET | From | Rightist Party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | That is why we have oversight on the private companies. |
| Date | 10:54:53, December 02, 2005 CET | From | One Nation Socialist Party | To | Debating the Welfare state reform. |
| Message | The future generation would benefit from a better funded education system instead of there parents earning a living grom child benefits. Moving to vote. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 137 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 19 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 143 |
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