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Bill: Choice of Abortion
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical New Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 2150
Description[?]:
| Why should an abortion only be allowed in the first and second trimesters? Why should the government get to dictate when? It's HER baby, she will live with having an abortion or not. The government should have ZERO intervention. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the first and second trimesters.
Current: Abortion policies are established by local governments
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:28:57, December 02, 2005 CET | From |  Herut Orthodoxy | To | Debating the Choice of Abortion |
| Message | Yes, what's the difference between a month before birth or a month after if the term "it's HER baby" is all that matters? After all, at neither time can the baby take care of itself. And actually, it's not just 'her' baby. There is a father involved somewhere. The excuse about who carries the baby is only that, a feminist argument - not a scientific one. If one does not like the idea of becoming pregnant, then perhaps one should take the responsibility not to become pregnant. Calling pregnancy an 'accident' is a foolish misconception - no pun intended. DNA and science says the baby is a different, unique human, and thus it is not 'her body', and while she many have to live with having an abortion, her child certainly will not. The government here has the responsibility to protect all human life, not just life for those who can shout and complain the loudest. This being said, in the case of health of the mother, the mother should have the right to protection and 'self defense' again all forms of direct physical harm - intended or unintended, but this bill does not address that issue, and as such a no vote is the only reasonable vote for those who know and understand science and the application of law and are no subject to special interest groups calling either for the complete removal of abortion at all costs, nor the complete legalization on a whim. |
| Date | 18:16:57, December 02, 2005 CET | From | Radical New Party | To | Debating the Choice of Abortion |
| Message | I didn't propose this bill on the grounds of science. I proposed it on the grounds of a woman's present situation in her life. She concieved the baby. The gov't did not. It has nothing to do with a baby taking care of itself, any laymen knows a baby cannot. It has nothing to do with self-defense because the woman would authorize this. Is intercourse rape if she says no? Of course because she didn't volunteer. The gov't is an observer, not an enforcer. It has nothing to do with a baby's uniqueness, kids aren't even conscious of their own bodies until their teens. Do you think the animals that we slaughter for food have a conscious? Because if they did then I could assure you most definitely that we wouldn't have the gall to kill them. The whole decision of the baby is left to the conciever. The father is non-issue based on the fact that Men have to do some extremely lazy action, while the women must be in labor for nine months. If the father has a say, it's for advisal only. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 126 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 207 | ||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 222 |
| Random fact: Cabinet ministers who disagree seriously with the head of government would usually be expected to resign. Parties within the cabinet may attempt to manoeuvre to replace the head of government though, for example by proposing a new cabinet bill or voting for an early election. |
| Random quote: "You will win, but you will not convince. You will win, because you possess more than enough brute force, but you will not convince, because to convince means to persuade. And in order to persuade you would need what you lack, reason and right in the struggle." - Miguel de Unamuno |