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Bill: OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol
Details
Submitted by[?]: Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 3301
Description[?]:
| In accordance with the rules laid out by Moderation, the realms and territories which currently compose the Imperial Crowns of Greater Hulstria, in game, shall be defined by the following: ~Brief Pre-Game History~ Hulstria, after it was colonized, was heavily populated by settlers from Luthori and Dundorf. Their values and traditions were formed into the culture of today. Prior to colonization Hulstria was occupied by a federation of feudal Gao Shwoa clans that were defeated and pushed out of north-west Dovani by the Luthori army during their colonization process. There remains a small minority of Gao Showa people in Hulstria though they located mainly in the south in Hilgar which borders Sekowo. ~Culture~ Basis for Hulstrian Society - a theoretical/alternate Habsburg unified Greater Germany which occurred sometime in the 19th century (my apologies, I'm into alternate history). Thus the best real world influences would be Habsburg Austria, with touches of Victorian England and Bismarckian Germany. ~Ethnicities/Nationalities~ - Hulstrian = Austrian - Gao Showa = Japanese (Please note "Gishotoi" has been established as a Hulstrianized word of Gao Showa which has negative connotations) - Kazulian = Norwegian - Dranian = Spanish - Trigunian = Russian - Dundorfer = German/Prussian - Luthorian = English - Dorvish = German -Percentages of the Population- Hulstrians 85% -- Hulstrian may encompass nationals with origins in Kazulia, Dundorf, Luthori, and/or Dorvik, due to the complicated origin of the ethnicity. Gao Showa 13% Other 2% *Please note, these numbers, while not stagnate, should not fluctuate wildly. Large demographic changes should only occur with an extensive RP, and consent of all involved. ~Religions~ - Hosianism = Christianity - Luthoran Church of Hulstria = Lutheranism - Ameliorate Church of Hulstria = Presbyterianism - Selucian Patriarchal Church= Catholicism - Ehudism = Judaism - Kamism = Shintoism -Percentages of the Population-** 78% Hosianism - 63% Luthoranism - 19% Amelioratism - 10% Selucian Partiarchalism - 8% Other 10% Kamism 6% Atheism/Agnosticism 5% Ehudism 1% Other |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:15:25, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | As for Mormonism...yeah...lol I'd just put that in the "Other" category. The last time Mormonism was actually RPed and a big deal was centuries ago; leave it in the history books. |
| Date | 21:31:07, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | Mkay, I think I'll just change the Episcopalians and I'll investigate our Catholic issue. |
| Date | 22:06:34, May 05, 2012 CET | From | Konstitutionelle Monarchie Partei | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | Yep. I saw you posted on the forums about that. |
| Date | 13:33:15, May 06, 2012 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | Can't we make the Luthoran Church a Bishopal Church? It's what I imagined anyway, seeing as the Emperor is head of the Church and it seems to fit in that he would appoint Bishops. |
| Date | 20:41:50, May 06, 2012 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | It kind of is, as it's technically a branch of the Luthori Church which is in all but actual name. On another note, I've basically given up on Catholicism. Seriously the fracturing just make it not worth our time. What do you guys think of replacing that portion with something interesting like Gnosticists (like Cathars) or some preschism denomination? |
| Date | 21:43:45, May 06, 2012 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | Nah, we need Catholics, in particular for the CDV to work. |
| Date | 01:41:10, May 07, 2012 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | Catholics don't and never have existed in Terra the way they do in the real world. That is to say, honestly there are more "Catholic" churches than there are Protestant, instead of a single one. And the fact that Luthoranism is tied directly to bizarre structure of the Luthori Church which recognizes a High (Catholic rites) and Low (Protestant rites), means that any "Catholic" would be a Luthoran/Bishopalian. Then this is the Seculian Church, however even that is fractured in two, and I can't quite tell if the Theognoscians are Catholic or a marriage of Francophonic Culture and Orthodoxy. I'm sorry mate, but also bluntly your claim that the CDV needs them is kind of moot, they only make up 7.8 percent of the population. If Christian Democracy, or whatever it ends up being called since the shift, exists in Hulstria, it didn't come from Political Catholicism as we know it. |
| Date | 07:59:52, May 07, 2012 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | No, it may not have come from political Catholicism, but its predecessor, Zentrum, was a merger of a few Catholic, Protestant and other Christian social organisations. I'd like to stick to that. |
| Date | 14:14:50, May 07, 2012 CET | From |  Communist Committee for Security (KCCP) | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | Sorry for the intrusion, but here is what I found on the wiki about the Episcopalians in Hulstria: Episcopal Church of Gishoto Formed by missionaries from the Episcopal Church of Kalistan in the early 2200’s. They were able to make some inroads into the largely Lutheran population nearly six million Gishoton’s are nominally Episcopalian. From what I understand then, the Bishopal/Episcopalian church in Hulstria has no direct connection to Luthori, so you could just leave it as is, without transforming it into Amelioratism/Calvinism, and keep Luthorism (or however you want to call it) as the dominant religion. About the Catholics, maybe it would make most sense to have them be Theognosians (formerly Orthdox Catholics), they are the somewhat more liberal alternative to the polytheistic and Deltarian Terran Patriarchal Church. Or you could have them belong to one of the Selucian churches, the schism is very recent and it is politically caused by the Selucian occupation of Pontesi. Either way, all Catholic churches were born long after Hulstria became independent from Luthori, so you needn't concern yourselves much with what Catholicism they have there. Again, sorry for the intrusion. |
| Date | 16:05:26, May 07, 2012 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | Thanks for the input! My concern isn't so much their connection to the church priorly, but the further complicated nature of the Church as we now view it. I'll have to get into contact with some of the other parties who have an vested interest in this, but I'm inclined (because it would be interesting) to leave Luthoran as effectively encompassing 'Catholic,' 'Lutheran;' and 'Episcopalian' and have the distinction only within the Church. My concern with the Theognosian Church is explaining how a solely Francophonic church (unless I'm wrong) ended up in Hulstria when there is no Kanjoran or Rildanorian minority really to speak of. Blargh |
| Date | 17:09:23, May 07, 2012 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | What the KCCP said is very much relevant. If all the Patriarchal Churches formed after IC Hulstria was founded (the Schism is that recent!), then perhaps we could get away with not belonging to either of them and having our own remnant of the Patriarchal Hierarchy become its own church or belonging to the one to which the Catholics from our mother nation belonged (that's Luthori, right?). |
| Date | 18:02:35, May 07, 2012 CET | From | Communist Committee for Security (KCCP) | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | Although the Theognosian Church is largely Francophone, it is present in many other nations. The way I understand it, the Schisms of 2153 largely discredited the Terran Patriarchal Church, and many of the "Catholic" churches broke with it and joined the Theognosian Church over the course of time. According to the wiki: "Theognosianism soon attracted supporters from all over the globe; mainly in French-speaking nations such as Alduria, Kanjor, and Rildanor, but soon spread to places as diverse as Darnussia, Keymon, Lodamun, Lourenne, Quanzar, Solentia, and Tukarali." The Theognosian/Orthodox Catholic Church was also the dominant form of Christianity when I played in Indrala. So here is what I gather from the recent history of Catholicism in Terra: 1. There was first the Holy Apostolic Hosian Church of Terra, with the "capital" in Selucia, which fragmented into national churches in the 19th century, leaving only the Selucian Church. 2.In the 21st century Deltaria created the Terran Patriarchal Church, all the other "Catholic" churches joined them. 3. Later the same century the Cadaver Trials made the TPC lose credibility, resulting in the Theognosian Church and several smaller churches (including the Luthori Patriarchal Church). Over time, the majority of Patriarchal churches join the TC, despite its Francophone nature. 4. The Luthori Church joins the Selucian Church in the 25th century (it was independent before that). 5. Then you have the Artanian Patriarchal Church created in the 31st century, a schism from the TPC. 6. And most recently, the Selucian Church split in two a couple of IG years ago as a reaction to the occupation of Pontesi. It would indeed make most sense to have the Hulstrian Catholics be part of the Luthori Patriarchal Church, which was after all independent until 2440something. When it decided to join the Selucian Church, I assume the Hulstrian part of it would have followed. In this case, the Luthori Patriarchal Church and the Hulstrian Patriarchal Church can be two autonomous (or autocephalous) parts of the Selucian Church. The Selucian schism is probably something minor and won't last long, but if you really want to pick a side, the Selucian Patriarchal Church was in favour of the invasion of Pontesi, and the Selucian Universal Church was against it. Also, the SPC adopted the "Hosianism" retcon, the SUC uses its own "Chrestianity" retcon. I hope this all makes sense, and forgive me for the long ranting and for writing on your nation's bills. |
| Date | 01:35:48, May 08, 2012 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | I'm all for becoming autocephalous Selucian Patriarchalists then, for our old Catholic population. We just got to have them. |
| Date | 12:36:32, May 09, 2012 CET | From | Kaiserliche Hulsterreichische Partei | To | Debating the OOC: New National Cultural Identity of Greater Hulstria/Cultural Protocol |
| Message | Alrighty |
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