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Bill: Budget proposal of November 3301
Details
Submitted by[?]: Stanton House
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill proposes to change the allocation of funds in the budget. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3328
Description[?]:
| The Stanton Family propose to adjust the government's spending budget to better address the economic and social situation of the Sovereign County of Beluzia. |
Proposals
Article 1
| Ministry | Current Budget | Old Budget | Propesed Budget |
| Head of Government | 550,000 BEL | 7,500,000,000 BEL | 7,500,000,000 BEL |
| Foreign Affairs | 220,000,000 BEL | 20,000,000,000 BEL | 10,000,000,000 BEL |
| Internal Affairs | 1,300,000,000 BEL | 12,500,000,000 BEL | 12,500,000,000 BEL |
| Finance | 1,000,000,000 BEL | 12,500,000,000 BEL | 12,500,000,000 BEL |
| Defence | 1,070,000,000 BEL | 75,000,000,000 BEL | 70,000,000,000 BEL |
| Justice | 9,300,000,000 BEL | 10,000,000,000 BEL | 10,000,000,000 BEL |
| Infrastructure and Transport | 10,000,000,000 BEL | 15,000,000,000 BEL | 15,000,000,000 BEL |
| Health and Social Services | 42,600,000,000 BEL | 50,000,000,000 BEL | 50,000,000,000 BEL |
| Education and Culture | 50,000,000,000 BEL | 50,000,000,000 BEL | 50,000,000,000 BEL |
| Science and Technology | 14,000,000,000 BEL | 15,000,000,000 BEL | 5,000,000,000 BEL |
| Food and Agriculture | 13,000,000,000 BEL | 15,000,000,000 BEL | 15,000,000,000 BEL |
| Environment and Tourism | 1,600,000,000 BEL | 10,000,000,000 BEL | 10,000,000,000 BEL |
| Trade and Industry | 8,500,000,000 BEL | 15,000,000,000 BEL | 10,000,000,000 BEL |
| Total | 152,590,550,000 BEL | 307,500,000,000 BEL | 277,500,000,000 BEL |
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:21:59, May 11, 2012 CET | From |  Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | This bill: - cuts Foreign Affairs by 50% (I guess we can close the World Conference Centre) - cuts Defence by 5,000,000,000 BEL (which is an amount equal to the proposed Science/Technology budget) - cuts Science & Technology by 66% (don't complain about a weak military or healthcare system) - cuts Trade/Industry by 33.3% (you want more public companies with less money to run them) |
| Date | 03:53:48, June 02, 2012 CET | From | House of Asher/Asher Ideology Reform Par | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | I agree with cutting expenses, but not in this way. Head of Government should be lowered SLIGHTLY but Foreign Affairs left alone, as well as finance. Since defence is in the process of being handled regionally, this is agreeable. Science and Technology cuts are ludicrous. We need to bolster these areas of discovery if we are to advance. Not to mention that technological advancement can be used against nations to make up for the lessened defense budget. Also, trade and industry should be left alone, if not increased with the cuts we make elsewhere. We need to bolster our economy, not put a noose around its neck by cutting the budget. |
| Date | 04:03:14, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | The Head of Government portfolio does not need reduction; what happens when a ministry needs more money than it has? It's the Head of Government's reponsibility to allocate emergency funds. Defence isn't handled regionally, and there is no "process" that we're in, which would involve military reform. Defence, of our civilians, is a federal/national matter. "Military" and "Defence" are not the same thing. The military is assigned to local government; it doesn't mean that the military doesn't need funding. Defence is a federal responsibility. We do agree with your position on Trade & Industry, but there is no need for budget cuts. We are not in debt, and it is only responsible of us to be maximizing our spending for the sake of the people. If we cut spending, our GDP will fall. Some nations put their nation into debt just to have a high GDP; while we don't agree with that, we believe we should maintain at least this high spending to keep GDP up. Our taxes are not burdenous, according to international standards. We have the perfect economy. -- Tell us, what good will come from spending cuts? |
| Date | 04:29:05, June 02, 2012 CET | From | House of Asher/Asher Ideology Reform Par | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | So, if military is in the hands of the region how does the nation defend us. As for the HoG, the ministries should seek to operate on a leaner scale and if they can't, then it should be made a responsibility of the Ministry of Finance to maintain a reserve fund. If that decision was made, then we could move the save money to that region. It should not be the HoG's responsibility to allocate emergency funds. Also, as for taxes not being burdenous, that doesn't matter. If we can get the lower class on its feet, even a little bit, we save money. As for perfection, nothing is perfection. There can never be perfection for when perfection is assumed, complacence follows and that defeats a people. |
| Date | 04:48:20, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | Military control is assigned to regional establishments to allow individual noble families to have their own loyalist troops. There is still a separate federal military: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=344680 When you have troops, you can talk about troops. When you have seats, your voice can be tolerated. Right now, you represent no-one, and you have no troops, so what right do you have to speak on military affairs? The Head of Government is responsible for leading the cabinet. That's why we used to have a Prime Minister. The Minister of Finance should not be responsible for maintaining the reserve fund. The Minister of Finance allocates money to the Prime Minister's portfolio, to be used as the reserve fund. The Prime Minister decides where to allocate it, when the need exists. -- If we cut government spending, we reduce the GDP. Who says the lower class isn't off its feet? Beluzia has a competitive internal economy. There is economic classism like any Capitalist society, but there are enough measures in place to ensure no-one falls into severe poverty. There are still daily struggles for everyone, which, when overcome, allow a goal to be achieved. |
| Date | 04:56:30, June 02, 2012 CET | From | House of Asher/Asher Ideology Reform Par | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | Leading the government has its restrictions. Also, as for my voice, we'll know about that next month, won't we. And right now, I see that your Dynasty has long held this country under its thumb with its mixed, corrupted and incorrect views. As for the allocation thing, NO. What should be done is that the maintenance of the reserve fund be controlled by the FINANCE MINISTRY, with the Prime Minister and the rest of the cabinet having an input in where it should goes and whether it is needed. And as for the allocation itself, first it should go through Legislation, unless a few days cannot be spared for voting in which the HoG may exercise an EMERGENCY power to allocate funds. If that is the case, then the matter should be handled by the HoG from then on with the input of that Minister. |
| Date | 04:57:56, June 02, 2012 CET | From | House of Asher/Asher Ideology Reform Par | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | And, why is there a need for separate militaries. Are you planning a coup of some sorts or what? What is the real meaning of that. Though, this is not the place to discuss that. |
| Date | 05:01:23, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | We will? Okay, if you say so... My dynasty is not corrupt, and no-one's views are "incorrect" as you claim. My dynasty has not held this nation under its thumb; we have been benevolent, and we have allowed the largest extents of democracy, and one of the few hybrids between republicanism and monarchy. -- Then what do you suggest as the relevance of the Prime Minister? He leads the cabinet, not the Finance Minister. The Prime Minister has his own portfolio of money, which is to be used to give other ministries backup funds for special projects which involve emergencies or multiple ministries. |
| Date | 05:07:16, June 02, 2012 CET | From | House of Asher/Asher Ideology Reform Par | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | But the fund itself should be maintained by the Finance department. All monetary concerns should be consulted with the Finance Minister, just as all Public Health concerns with that minister, and justice concerns with that minister, etc. Correct views are in the eye of the beholder. As for you ALLOWING democracy, that's a problem there. The people control all nations, MONARCHY OR NOT. They have the final say. I am a FIRM supporter of monarchy, but only when it pays do respect to its people. Respect IS a two way street. |
| Date | 05:20:10, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | So we shouldn't have liberated Beluzia from Tory anti-democracy? The Tory government took away the rights, of citizens, to have privately-owned housing or vehicles. There were also many other fundamental rights that we had to step in to implement. The people do control Beluzia; it is not a monarchy. Beluzia is an oligarchy. A consequential monarchy exists for the sake of symbolism. Different non-sovereign monarchies exist within Beluzia's borders. The Sovereign/High Count is simply our symbol of united sovereignty. -- Beluzia isn't an elitist nation either. Any family may step up to the level of our houses. Nobility is voluntary, and not restricted. |
| Date | 05:26:29, June 02, 2012 CET | From | House of Asher/Asher Ideology Reform Par | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | Look up oligarchies in history. If Sparta is our predecessor, change is coming. I'm not saying liberation wasn't necessary, I'm just making observation and pointing out that your Dynasty has its share of problems as well. As for the existence of non-sovereign monarchies...that is noted. I'll consent, I wasn't aware of the complete history, but my observations have not, and will, not change. This has its flaws, and we've side tracked from THAT debate. |
| Date | 05:27:52, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | What is Sparta? |
| Date | 05:30:11, June 02, 2012 CET | From | House of Asher/Asher Ideology Reform Par | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | Dude, do you live under a rock? Have you no historical knowledge of Earth. |
| Date | 05:31:35, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | What is Earth? |
| Date | 05:31:55, June 02, 2012 CET | From | House of Asher/Asher Ideology Reform Par | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | Come to real life for a second. |
| Date | 05:42:22, June 02, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | What are you talking about? OOC: Distinguish your IC statements from your OOC statements, please. Either that, or don't make statements at all (thank you). |
| Date | 17:20:14, July 01, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Budget proposal of November 3301 |
| Message | I urge other members of the federal council of nobles to vote against this bill, given the reasons: - The GDP will fall by 2% - Tax burden will rise by 0.44% - Uncirculated currency will rise by 0.01% - Spending on Foreign Affairs will drop by 50% - Spending on Science & Technology will drop by 66.7% - Spending on Trade & Industry will drop by 33.3% This is terribly irresponsible and only serves as a reminder of the incompetence of the Tories to handle the Finance portfolio. Beluzia will lose its position on the international scene, and the government wouldn't even be making effort to maintain a healthy economy in the area of industry. There has been no justification for the cuts in Science & Technology, which is a crucial portfolio to the efficiency of the Health & Social Services Ministry. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes |
Total Seats: 54 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 10 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 35 |
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