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Bill: Civil Liberties Minute
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Progressive Party of Mordusia
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3303
Description[?]:
| The Monthly Meetings of the MYM have authorized the SA to advance the following Minutes to the floor for discussion on the Sixth Day, Second Week, Fifth Month of the current year (May 12th, 3302 in the Common Calendar) 1) That Letters should be inviolable. 2) That Citizens have the right to privacy which the State cannot infringe upon. 3) That Citizens may feel free to criticize public figures without fear of reprisal |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The confidentiality of letters and correspondence.
Old value:: The confidentiality of letters is inviolable, but the justice dept. can violate the confidentiality of letters with grounded cause.
Current: The confidentiality of letters is inviolable, but the justice dept. can violate it in extreme situations.
Proposed: The confidentiality of letters is inviolable.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Right to privacy.
Old value:: The government has the right to monitor information of individuals without letting them know.
Current: Individuals have a right to privacy, but the courts can force individuals to give information on certain matters if needed. (also known as Habeas Data).
Proposed: Individuals have a right to privacy, to keep records and information for themselves.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Application of libel and slander laws.
Old value:: Libel and slander laws apply to and may be applied by all individuals.
Current: Libel and slander laws apply to and may be applied by all individuals.
Proposed: Private individuals are exempt from libel and slander suits by public figures.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:44:35, May 11, 2012 CET | From | Mordusian Freedom Group | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Minute |
| Message | We agree to everything except article 3, people should have the freedom to say and write anything they want but they should not be able to spread lies without repercussions |
| Date | 22:13:44, May 11, 2012 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Minute |
| Message | We deplore these proposals have not been submitted separately. |
| Date | 00:06:18, May 12, 2012 CET | From | Social Progressive Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Minute |
| Message | Perhaps the Conservative Party will explain their objection, as well as the intensity of their objection to these proposals. We are curious as to why we would insist on open trade, for example, while being entirely willing to spy on our citizens or violate the privacy of their mail. Those two positions are incongruent.. |
| Date | 00:20:12, May 12, 2012 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Minute |
| Message | 1) We are not concerned with the economy. We have never been. We are not "free trade" idealists. We have a laissez-faire attitude. 2) The current legislation concerning mail is coherent with international legislation. The justice department can violate confidentiality in the case of a criminal investigation &c. as is sometimes required. What this has got to do with free trade, quite frankly, is a mystery to us. |
| Date | 00:21:10, May 12, 2012 CET | From | Agrarian Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Minute |
| Message | 3) We would've been willing to compromise on article 3 (with Habeas Data). That is why we deplore this proposal. |
| Date | 03:22:31, May 12, 2012 CET | From | Social Progressive Party of Mordusia | To | Debating the Civil Liberties Minute |
| Message | 1) Economic Liberalism is Laissez Faire. This is freeing the economy from Government Control. It is at the very heart of the Liberal program (the freedom of property and contract.) We believe that our Friends may have a different idea of liberalism than we are using the term. We ware using it in the theoretical sence, as in "economic liberty", not in the vulgar sense of the word of welfarism. 2) We are establishing law for Mordusia. International standards are adhered to when they benefit us, but we are under no obligation to even acknowledge them when they limit the rights and liberties of our people. The Government should not be so empowered as to be able to arbitrarily read people's correspondences or randomly search their houses and persons, occasionally without them even knowing. This is an egregious violation of human rights, and a gross overreach of Government authority, and should have been reigned in when we abolished slavery. 3) Economic liberalism comes from the same philosophic traditions as personal freedom from government involvement in people's lives. To support the economic variety, but not the individual variety seems incongruent to us. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 404 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 346 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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