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Bill: State visit to Free Gaduridos
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3332
Description[?]:
| We of the Hobratsur Komunisturi Partiis believe that it is time to ask our allies in Free Gaduridos for an invitation to their nation. The reasons for this are quite obvious, we think. There is much to discuss; the Malivian affair, the discussions going on in the Erovnuli Krebis concerning our status in the ATR and the Gaduri military presence on Hobrazian soil. However, even if we do hold the foreign ministry, we want to make sure that we have the backing of our fellow parties before discussing this with the Gaduri officials. If you have any objections, this is where to voice them. If there is something you wish our representative to discuss, feel free to say so. If there is something you want to put forth concerning the three subjects the HKP has already mentioned, speak up! Signed, Minister of External Affairs Zucker von Beckenburg |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:47:23, June 16, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | OOC: Great idea, should turn out great on the forum. IC: This is just another ruse of the communist to keep their foreign policies relevant, and hold Hobrazia a slave to the Gaduri communists. The only thing we should discuss with them is when they are going to leave. |
| Date | 22:52:52, June 16, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | Slaves? We are not slaves. We weren't forced to participate in the Malivian affair by the Gaduri, we were forced by the Malivians. The Gaduri didn't ask for our forces to join their war, we stayed behind when the offensive entered Malivian territory. We've participated as much as we felt necessary, and not an inch more. And while the Gaduri asked for an expeditionary force, the moment we said our military will not join their forays into Malivia, not attack unless we ourselves are attacked, they accepted that. Does that sound like slavery? A slave does what their masters tell them; we, we are our own masters. Do you honestly believe that a people as proud, as great as the Hobrazians will be tied down by a foreign power? You think too little of your own. |
| Date | 00:14:15, June 17, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | OOC: Seems like UniSocAll, the player behind the ATR in Free Gaduridos, is gone. His party is inactive and he hasn't logged on to the forum for well over two weeks. |
| Date | 00:56:57, June 17, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | It would seem like the old regime is gone. The HKP has stretched out a hand of friendship to the new leaders of Free Gaduridos, but now more than ever we need a meeting between our two nations. |
| Date | 03:33:23, June 17, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | As we said before, we would not have been in this mess had Gaduri troops not been stationed on our territory. Nevertheless, perhaps the new leadership in Gaduridos is more reasonable, and we support offering them an open hand. |
| Date | 14:48:18, June 17, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | And how is the Malivians, who invaded our territory, without blame? We invited the Gaduri, which is our right, and they tried to bully us into throwing them out. Since when is it proper for us to let open threats dictate our policy? No, our hands were forced - by the Malivians. From the moment they thought they could force us to comply, the Malivian government made our path clear. To back down would set a very dangerous precedent. Perhaps it was a questionable decision to allow Gaduri forces on our soil, though we do not think so, but the fact that Hobrazia has had to use for is the fault of the Malivians, not us or the Gaduri. |
| Date | 22:44:37, June 17, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | The Western Meria Crisis has shown the ATR and Gaduridos to be power-hungry warmongers, so the concern of Malivia over their neighbours hosting their armies, with whom they were also at war, was legitimate. We are not saying the Malivians were without fault, but we are suspicious of any close alignment with the ATR and their member nations. |
| Date | 23:48:30, June 17, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | No, they of course have to look out for their own interests. But for us, our own interests are what matters. And our interests are the lives of Hobrazian soldiers, the safety of our sovereign soil and the freedom to act as we see fit. |
| Date | 17:34:19, June 20, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | What we are saying is that Free Gaduridos was, and maybe still is, the exponent of a fiercely imperialist foreign party, that goes against the interests of many Artanian nations, including our traditional friends in Luthori. Maybe we should have avoided association with them in the first place. |
| Date | 22:33:47, June 20, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | OOC: * fiercely imperialist foreign policy * typo |
| Date | 21:12:35, June 21, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | Luthori is an oppressive, reactionary nation. We'll take the Gaduri imperalists any day, if that's the alternative. At least they're socially progressive. |
| Date | 22:18:06, June 21, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Erovnuli P’rontis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | Luthori is a beacon of stability and good governance, and the leader of a powerful and influential colonial empire. We would rather have them as friends and allies, rather than the unstable and unpredictable Gaduridos, whose foreign policy is based on ideological extremism and attempts at destabilizing other nations. |
| Date | 22:51:16, June 21, 2012 CET | From | Hobratsuri Komunisturi Partiis | To | Debating the State visit to Free Gaduridos |
| Message | Imperialists as imperialists, and that being the case I prefer imperialists whose policies aren't totally inhumane. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 265 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 485 |
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