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Bill: Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene
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Submitted by[?]: Kansarätten (House of Kansar)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3335
Description[?]:
| BY ORDER OF His Royal Majesty David Victor III Kansar, High King of the Tela, King of New Majatra, and King-in-Exile of the Solentians, 2nd Duke of Telapolis and 1st Duke of Nordhelm, Lord of the Five Kingdoms and Protector of the Realm; With the recent return of the former ruling party of the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene, the noble House of Leylabi, a cadet branch of the House of Torvellian, His Royal Majesty understands that their is a need for open discussion on the situation of the aforementioned Kingdoms, as they are now ruled rightfully and benevolently, with His Royal Majesty's blessing, by members of the noble House of Arinidi. With such in mind, His Royal Majesty announces a conference on the matter to be held at the Castle Victor in Telapolis beginning on Christmas Day, December the 25th, 3334. The conference will be moderated by His Royal Majesty in person. Jordan of the House of Leylabi, claimant to the thrones of Antepec and Ferene, and their Royal Majesties Sylvester I and Sylvester II of the House of Arinidi, Kings of Antepec and Ferene, shall be invited to present their cases to the High King of the Tela. His Royal Majesty wishes to remind his loyal subjects prior to this conference on what is sure to be a heated topic that matters such as this will be decided peacefully and by negotiation; violence or the threat of violence will not be tolerated and will be grounds for removal from the conference. Members of the Royal Guard will be present at all times to ensure tranquility in the Royal Crownlands. Furthermore, His Royal Majesty wishes to remind his loyal subjects that it is not fitting to make demands of the High King of the Tela. He shall act in the interest of the Realm of Telamon, not in the interest of individual houses. |
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Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:19:21, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Kansarätten (House of Kansar) | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | OOC: Bump for those of you subscribed to bills in country. Should be an interesting little debate we can have here. |
| Date | 00:32:38, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Kansarätten (House of Kansar) | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | OOC: Alternatively we could do this as a character RP on the forum. Just a thought. |
| Date | 00:43:29, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Nationella Royalister | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "Your Royal Majesty, We were rightfully declared kings of Antepec and Ferene by Parliament at your order. In the interests of the people, my King, they if you look at our voting record, both kingdoms chose us over the House Leylabi before their dissaperance. I ask the High King to uphold his decision to honor his most loyal servants, who, in the Kansar's WEAKEST hour, we remained and fought the Stafford opposers." HRM Sylvester Arinidi I, Lord Chancellor of Telamon, King of Antepec, Prince of Ferene |
| Date | 00:43:36, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Nationella Royalister | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "Your Royal Majesty, We were rightfully declared kings of Antepec and Ferene by Parliament at your order. In the interests of the people, my King, they if you look at our voting record, both kingdoms chose us over the House Leylabi before their dissaperance. I ask the High King to uphold his decision to honor his most loyal servants, who, in the Kansar's WEAKEST hour, we remained and fought the Stafford opposers." HRM Sylvester Arinidi I, Lord Chancellor of Telamon, King of Antepec, Prince of Ferene |
| Date | 00:56:37, July 16, 2012 CET | From | House of Leylabi | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "Your Majesty, But what about God? As you know, our House was granted divine rule over these lands upon the formation of our great state. The Kings of Ferene were to be Leylabis, the Kings of Antepec, Torvellians. Since the unification of these two houses under the single Leylabi banner, there is no question of our divinely-granted right to rule the lands God chose for us. The Lord Chancellor mentions the people, but the people of Ferene are our minority Queranzariah populace; do they not require the leadership to be of their faith? These Arindi are not even Queranzariah, they are Theognosian. My King, my House and that of Torvellian before our unification, were the same people who travelled with your family accross the sea in the dark times and helped to found this land under your rule. What did we do to be so displaced?" HRM Jordan, King of Ferene and Antepec, 2nd Viscount Saidi |
| Date | 01:06:04, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Nationella Royalister | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "Your Majesty, First, let my family make this PERFECTLY CLEAR, we are NOT Theognosian. While we bear great respect for the religion, we are devoutly Artanian Catholic, as was our most notable leader, Prince Calvin, god rest his soul who led our family to this religion. No, we did not cross the seas with you, but we fought back those who wished to challenge you and have championed you across the world, even against the Solentian Liberal, who we had no dealings with before our loyalty to you. We have stood beside you, my King, and I beg you to uphold our family's claims and your decisions. I am not a begging man, my lord, you know this as we have come to know one another as friends and I knew your father as my brother, god rest my brother's soul, but I do not mind humbling myself before your majesty and grace in asking you to uphold your decision in defiance of the disrespect and demands of the Leylabis, who did not even see fit to honor your succession as it saw fit and it was left to us and your dearest sister, my beloved friend, to plan the first full coronation in Telamonese history, as your father's was not left in law and ceremony." HRM Sylvester Arinidi I, Lord Chancellor of Telamon, King of Antepec, Prince of Ferene |
| Date | 01:14:26, July 16, 2012 CET | From | House of Leylabi | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "My King, Theognosian, Artanian, what difference does it make when they are not Queranzariah?" HRM Jordan, King of Ferene and Antepec, 2nd Viscount Saidi |
| Date | 01:18:55, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Nationella Royalister | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "My King, Government is not about religion. I think we have proven that, our two houses. Of two denominations with opposing beliefs and we work well together. I would also like to make not that we are not the House ignoring what is right and true by law in favor of disrespecting religion and making demands of the truly HOLY crown that sits upon your head on this, our savior's day. On this day, we must oppose the claims of men who betrayed this nation by disappearing and ignoring what happened for this nation in their absence and now stand here, demanding for things to be treated as if nothing ever happened. What about their house makes them deserve the honor to be your governor?" HRM Dr. Sylvester Arinidi I, King of Antepec, Prince of Ferene |
| Date | 02:44:22, July 16, 2012 CET | From | House of Leylabi | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "The fact that we were appointed upon the creation of this realm, before the first High King and before God. The fact that we travelled to this land with the first High King and helped to found this realm. The fact that we follow the faith of our people and are of their blood and bow to the same God. The fact that whilst we challenged the republicans in Solentia, they cowered and played diplomats. They think of themselves as high and mighty with their new titles but it was Leylabi and Torvelian blood that was spilt fighting for monarchism in Solentia, for a thousand years and it was Leylabi and Torvellian hands that helped build this Kingdom and it was Leylabi and Torvellian knees that bended first to your mighty ancestors who founded this new Kingdom. The fact that we are who they are, before God and before our High King, and they are who they are, makes us justified in calling for the restoration of what was given to us and what is ours, by divine and royal right." HRM Jordan, King of Ferene and Antepec, 2nd Viscount Saidi |
| Date | 02:46:54, July 16, 2012 CET | From | House of Leylabi | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | *we are who we are. |
| Date | 02:59:14, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Nationella Royalister | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "High King, These are the loyal people who left you high and dry, who left you alone, who left you and fled Telamon. You know our loyalty, you know our commitment. Sir, it was OUR sweat split in making Telamon what it is today, and it was Michael Victor HIMSELF who first brought it before Parliament that we be given our titles. You know our humility before you, my lord. They forfeited their rights, and, as far as our House and law is concerned, they are entitled to NOTHING but what is given by your grace, which, I advice should be but a knighting. We have ruled benevolently, and the people have no qualm with us. It is these traitors, cowards who fled before the Stafford pigs in your desperate hours when all of our work could have been thrown to the dogs and all of our families murdered, it was us who were here, and it is us who have been by your side. You appointed ME your hand and in the final hour, it was me who you and your father chose to lead the cabinet after the Torvellians and their Leylabi lackies proved to unreliable. I have no personal argument with their family, and I see it fitting that they be made peers of the land to be held in high esteem. You know what was done, why it was done, and what we have done, my King. "It is us who have given all we have to defending you at home and abroad and serving you with all of our power and energy. Their claims based on making a trip and you being gracious and thankful. My lord, as King of Solentia, I know that nation is important to you, and it was us who championed your claim when it was questioned and called for more action than your father deemed necessary. It was us who would have shed blood in retaking the nation, should it be what you desired, and it was us who helped to break the Stafford siege of your home, while the Leylabies were nowhere to be found. I ask you again to defend the wise decision of your late father and of you, my lord, and end this." HRM Dr. Sylvester Arinidi I, King of Antepec, Prince of Ferene |
| Date | 03:28:10, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Kansarätten (House of Kansar) | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "Each party in the discussion shall be granted leave to speak once more, and then We shall speak. The Leylabis may respond to the statement as it stands." HRM David Victor III, High King of the Tela |
| Date | 03:48:33, July 16, 2012 CET | From | House of Leylabi | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "My King, I do not find need to tell you of our history. You know it. We are a true and loyal family and our ties with your own stretch hundreds of years, nearly a thousand. Our silence during the stafford crisis was due to our work in Solentia, another of your realms. All I ask is that you restore what your family saw fit to grant mine before God, a Queranzariah God. The Torvellians have been stable Governors for generations, it is what made their family name; good Governance. And the Leylabis are known for their faith and loyalty. I ask only that we not be stripped of our lands any longer and that our family's place be respected and honoured." HRM Jordan, King of Ferene and Antepec, 2nd Viscount Saidi |
| Date | 04:29:09, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Kansarätten (House of Kansar) | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "The House of Arinidi has waived their right to speak again, as they feel they have said their peace. We shall now add our input to the discussion. We recognize and deeply appreciate the contributions to the Realm that each of the noble and royal Houses Arinidi, Leylabi, and Torvellian has rendered. It is with great weight that We admit that without each of the three aforementioned great Houses, the Royal House of Kansar would not hold sway in either Telamon or Solentia. We are grateful for your continued loyalty and dedication. We recognize the longevity and tenacity of Torvellian and Leylabi loyalty to Our house. Indeed, in Solentia, the Torvellians and Leylabis have labored long for the divine right of Our house to the throne in Halion. When Our father the late High King Michael Victor crossed the seas after persecution in Solentia, We were blessed to see the devotion of the Torvellians and Leylabis as they crossed the waves behind us. With their help the Five Kingdoms were empowered and they were given the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene as compensation for their endeavors. Afterward, but indeed, not long afterward, Our Realm in Telamon was strengthened by the coming of the noble House of Arinidi. Their ancestry was not Solentian, and they owed Us no natural loyalty other than that owed to Us as the Sovereign of their new home. Yet they granted Us unyielding loyalty and set out to integrate themselves with Our house. They yielded to Our religion, Our court, and were granted little in thanks for some time. Yet they labored on. As minor nobility, they established themselves as experts in foreign affairs and represented Us admirably abroad. When Our reign was threatened by the Stafford pretenders, the House of Arinidi was responsible for a great uproar in the international community against the interlopers. Their actions in that time of instability earned them Our deepest gratitude. Indeed, if they had wished it, the Arinidis at times could have challenged Our own rule, but by their sincere loyalty have remained Our most reliable subjects. The Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene were granted to the Torvellian and Leylabi houses in thanks for their efforts in the service of Our father in times prior to and during the immediate foundation of the Five Kingdoms. However, in the time since, Our immediate rule in Telamon has been threatened, challenged, and tested by pretenders. Our most stalwart champions in these black times were the Arinidis. While We understand that the Torvellians and Leylabis left to defend Our claims in Solentia, We must, of course, place Our realized Telamonese claims at a higher importance than Our potential Solentian claims. For such devotion, and with the Torvellian and Leylabi absence in mind, the Arinidis shall by Our decree be allowed to maintain their rightful Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene under Kings Sylvester I and Sylvester II, respectively. We do not mean to slight the House of Leylabi by granting these Kingdoms to the House of Arinidi. Your devotion to Us is unquestioned in Our hearts. With this in mind, We ask the Kings of Antepec and Ferene to grant titles and lands to the House of Leylabi as befits their status, from the fairness of your hearts. Also, We are prepared to grant a duchy upon the Royal Crownlands of New Majatra to Jordan Leylabi, as well as the hereditary title 'Prince of Telamon' to be borne by the Head of the House of Leylabi until the end of time. We are also prepared to grant the hereditary title 'Prince-in-Exile of Solentia' (until such time as Our rule their is restored, at which point the title shall be amended to Prince of Solentia) in recognition of the Leylabi labors in Solentia, also to be borne by the Head of the House of Leylabi until the end of time. We feel that Our judgement has been fair in this matter, and ask each of the Houses to agree to such, so that this matter may be placed behind us." HRM David Victor III of the House of Kansar, High King of the Tela |
| Date | 04:39:27, July 16, 2012 CET | From | Nationella Royalister | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "My King, We respect your ruling and will obey your commands and requests. We wish the House of Leylabi goodwill and we see fit to put this matter behind the nation so that this unpleasant matter can give way to Christmas celebrations that will fill the streets." HRM Sylvester Arinidi II, King of Ferene, Prince of Antepec |
| Date | 16:00:31, July 16, 2012 CET | From | House of Leylabi | To | Debating the Royal Decree: Discussion on the Kingdoms of Antepec and Ferene |
| Message | "Our honour has been impaired and our House stripped. But we shall obey, as loyal subjects, My King." HRM Prince Jordan, Prince of Telamon, Prince-in-Exile of Solentia, 2nd Viscount Saidi |
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