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Bill: The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives
Details
Submitted by[?]: House of Astredies
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3342
Description[?]:
| In order to avoid potential for a military coup I believe we should keep the army from making arrests, and since the military will no longer be allowed to assist in potentially dangerous situations, allow special police units to use firearms in extreme circumstances. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on the separation of the police and the military.
Old value:: The military acts as a de-facto police force, with powers of arrest.
Current: A civilian police force is in place and the military may be called in to help in serious emergencies.
Proposed: A civilian police force is in place and the military is not allowed to play any part in it.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Current: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons apart from specially trained firearms units.
Proposed: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons apart from specially trained firearms units.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:51:56, July 28, 2012 CET | From |  Takanashi Clan | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | IC: How does the ability for the military to make arrest reinforce their power substantially enough to enable them to coup? |
| Date | 06:58:16, July 29, 2012 CET | From | House of Astredies | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | It means they are involved in the day to day lives of Beluzians and that it will seem normal for them to arrest people. One of these days they might "issue" a warrant of arrest for the High Count and anyone else who disagrees with them. |
| Date | 07:09:20, July 29, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | Not likely. The military is obligated to political neutrality. The High Countess has her own loyalist paramilitaries separate from the neutral armed forces. Also, the High Countess is a part of the law, which the soldiers are made to enforce. -- We support separation of the police and military, but that doesn't mean we don't think you're stupid. |
| Date | 07:12:17, July 29, 2012 CET | From | House of Astredies | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | OOC: It's times like this I wish I was allowed to point at Ceasar. |
| Date | 07:15:09, July 29, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | Let me say: I am okay with either system - it doesn't matter whether the police are separated or not, but I personally support this bill because of Article 2. Kristov II, Karav Patriarch OOC the system is based on Caesar's corrupted version of the Roman Republic :P |
| Date | 07:19:27, July 29, 2012 CET | From | Takanashi Clan | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | OOC: You still need to elaborate the example of Caesar even if you can, I believe. |
| Date | 07:47:58, July 29, 2012 CET | From | House of Astredies | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | OOC: Correct me if I'm I get anything wrong Karav. When Julius took over Rome it was after the military had started arresting people and leading coups, whoever had the biggest army granted himself the honorary term dictator, which had none of the negative connotation it has today. Anyway Julius, Pompey ( I think it was Pompey) and some really rich guy formed the Triuvate (spelled incorrectly) and took over Rome. Once the really rich guy bit the dust Pompey declared himself dictator screwing Ceasar over. Pompey was scared of what Ceasar would do to him so he decreed that the Millitary was banned from entering the Roman Penisula and to do so was treason. When Ceasar crossed over the Rubicon he was committing treason. So Ceasar leading a huge army fights his way into Rome to discover that Pompey has fled to Egypt. If you want I can get into that too and all the stuff about the assasination and the second triumvate, but it's not essential at this point. Anyway Ceasar declares himself Emperor and his best freind conspires with the rest of the Senate to kill him. There is a great play about the conspiracy, Cato, the one by Shakespeare sucks. |
| Date | 13:24:56, July 29, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | OOC: What relevance is any of that? |
| Date | 22:06:01, July 29, 2012 CET | From | House of Astredies | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | OOC: Rome's military had become the default police force leading to Millitary coups on a fairly regular basis. Also I like talking about Rome. |
| Date | 01:17:41, July 30, 2012 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the The Limitation of National Military in Local Lives |
| Message | OOC: Beluzia's system is based on recurring coups. We're not Rome. The neutral soldiers/police only matter in a coup if the coup is done through legislation. Houses have paramilitaries separate from the union's neutral security forces. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 60 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 39 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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