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Bill: Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul
Details
Submitted by[?]: Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3349
Description[?]:
| The island continent of Squibble's inhabitants are direct relatives of the Yeudish people. Their native faith is almost identical to that of the Yeudish people. They are holders of knowledge and wisdom only known to those of the Motherland. 20% of Beiteynu is Squibblian or of Squibblian descent. Since the bloody crusade of Beiteynu, we have lost so much including our colonies. Luthori, Zardgul and Alduria stole our brothers in blood and faith from us. They have left it all in shards of the wonderful city colonies we held dear. We ask you to please authorize this war to reclaim our lost brothers. We are, Squibblians are, We all are Yeudis. -- Nelson Mendelson (MK), Bloc from Ir Melechim This bill calls for the Declaration of War against Zardgul. The focus of this war will be to reclaim the colonies controlled by Zardgul and any other Zardgulian Allies that attack Beiteynu or RBF Forces. This bill also calls for the allocation of funds to spread the ideas of self-determination in Zardgulian allies in Squibble. This bill also calls for the allocation of funds to aid in humanitarian needs to Squibble. Squibble has long been ignored by their Goyim colonial leaders. The Current Situation: http://images3.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100503080009/particracy/images/d/dd/Terra_Gridy.png |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Women in the military.
Old value:: Women can only serve in non-battle positions.
Current: Women serve alongside men.
Proposed: Women serve alongside men.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:22:29, August 05, 2012 CET | From | Luthori Tory Party | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I must warn this house and the government of Beiteynu that a declaration of war on Zardugal will result in a deterioration of relations between Luthori and Beiteynu. I yield the floor. -The Marquess of Youk, Luthori Minister Plenipotentiary |
| Date | 07:31:47, August 05, 2012 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | We have attempted time and time again to help reestablish relations between us and the Luthori people. We have greviences to be recognized by the Luthori people and government. If not we have no choice but to do this. |
| Date | 13:19:24, August 05, 2012 CET | From | Patriarchal-Yeudi Party of Beiteynu | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Nonsense. We must not go to war, not now, nor ever. The warmongers of the Bloc Am Echad, Am Yedui, Am Libre are trying to destroy the holiness of our Nation. We, and King Yosef Yisserles I, do not approve the possible war. The only thing we should do is raise humanitarian aid for Squibble. We do not approve of calling the colonial leaders Goyim, that is racism, period. Bloc Am Echad, be warned! I rest my case, Mr. Speaker, Nesi HaMedina Shadrach Harris |
| Date | 17:41:56, August 05, 2012 CET | From | Lanlianhui | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | We thank Beiteynu and the Bloc for their support. Beiteynu's participation in this holy war is its best chance to once again become the protector and guardian of all Qedarite peoples, and rise from its second world status it's been reduced to ever since the crusade. Should this declaration fail, the Bloc can always sent its paramilitaries to fight off Zardic imperialists in Dovani and Squibble. Cao Yiji, His Grace the Most High, Noble, and Potent Prince Foreign Minister of the Great Empire of Indrala and the Mingzhi Dynasty |
| Date | 09:31:03, August 06, 2012 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I cannot believe the hypocrisy of the Patriarchal-Yeudi Party. You ask for the religious rebirth of Beiteynu and you will not help reclaim area's that belong to our fellow brothers in Squibble. You are nothing but Luthori puppet scum. J'Accuse M. Harris! I accuse! I accuse you sir of being disloyal to the Yeudish people and instead loyal to a foreign king and a nation that still claims to rule over us and our holy city of Yishalem. They wish to downgrade our national pride. Forshame. We yeild. Mr. Joshua Ben-Lavi- Head of the Bloc |
| Date | 09:49:33, August 06, 2012 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | OOC, BTW you can't speak for the king. The king is my charachter and I can only control him and the royal family. He should only be used as a unification force and for morale and stuff. Nothing to seperate us or polarize. |
| Date | 13:28:02, August 06, 2012 CET | From | Patriarchal-Yeudi Party of Beiteynu | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | OOC, The King is no ones character. Even in times of war, a King has to pick a side. |
| Date | 13:36:55, August 06, 2012 CET | From | Patriarchal-Yeudi Party of Beiteynu | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I cannot believe the false accusations made by Mr. Joshua Ben-Lavi. We are not against the Yeudish people, I, myself, am a part of the Yeudish people. And we are no Luthori puppet, what a shame, Mr. Ben-Lavi! Surely, we do want to free the Squibble, but that is not going to happen through war! That is insane, I tell you, insane! We are not loyal to a foreign king, nor loyal to warmongering. We are in favor of freedom, but this freedom shall not be realized through war. A possible war means the destroying of our beautiful cities and our glorious nation. We agree on the holy city of Yishalem, we should get the city back in our hands, but again, not through war, Mr. Ben-Lavi. We rest our case, and will never go to war. The Bloc tries to destroy our glorious nation under God, by going to war, which is a shame. Nesi HaMedina Shadrach Harris |
| Date | 16:42:17, August 06, 2012 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | OOC: Actually, he's mine since I created him and the royal family. You can't use other people's characters. Mr. Speaker, It is through war that we seek peace. I believe that we have to fight a war to defend our honor as a people and as a nation. We need to go to war to protect our brothers, we need to go to war to protect our nation, we need to go to war to earn the respect of Goyim all over the world. (OCC and IC: Goyim is not a racist term. It is a simple term for gentiles. It means nations.) We ask the Patriarchal-Yeudi Party to reconsider. G-D allows justifiable war. War for protection, War for honor, war for dignity as a nation is just. Luthoris walk in our Knesset with no respect for us and have done nothing but make demands and ultimatums. We yeild. Rosh HaShemshala Sarah Rishon Le Zion |
| Date | 18:30:51, August 06, 2012 CET | From | Patriarchal-Yeudi Party of Beiteynu | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | OOC: Sorry, my bad. Mr. Speaker, 'It is through war, that we seek peace.' What kind of extremist, warmongering nonsense is that?! Mr. Speaker, we Yeudi's do not have to earn anything of the Goyim, we are Yeudi's and they are Goyim, we both live and let live, but there's nothing to be earned from one another. (OOC: I know what Goyim means, I am Jewish :p) We reconsidered, and we still oppose war. Though, the Luthoris do walk in our Royal Sanhedrin and Congregation of Faith, and that should be stopped. We should talk about ways to get the Luthoris out of our government and out of our Royal Sanhedrin and Congregation of Faith, but not through war. There are alternatives to war, mrs. Rishon Le Zion.. We rest our case. Nesi HaMedina Shadrach Harris |
| Date | 18:32:51, August 06, 2012 CET | From | Patriarchal-Yeudi Party of Beiteynu | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | OOC: What I meant with 'racist' was the following: It is rude to call non-Jews/Yeudi's in our game, Goyim, it is the correct term, but still, I am personally against the misuse of it. We are people :p |
| Date | 20:38:28, August 07, 2012 CET | From | Lanlianhui | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Indrala wishes to remind Beiteynu of the Pact of Nations treaty (http://classic.particracy.net/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=1800), signed by both our nations, which strongly encourages member states to participate in each other's wars of conquest. We reiterate our view that this war is Beiteynu's best chance to recover her status and her ancestral lands. Cao Yiji, His Grace the Most High, Noble, and Potent Prince Foreign Minister of the Great Empire of Indrala and the Mingzhi Dynasty |
| Date | 23:26:33, August 07, 2012 CET | From | Patriarchal-Yeudi Party of Beiteynu | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Again, we know of the treaty, but we can not go to war for a simple 'conquest'. By all means, war, in order to conquest lands, is wrong, as G-d said unto us. Thou shalt not kill. The words of G-d, we can not deny the words and commandments of the Almighty One. We are sorry, Mr. Yiji, we can not follow the treaty, for it is against G-d himself. Again, we, the PYPB, stand firm in our opinion, and we again suggest humanitarian aid for the Squibble and diplomatic warfare against the traitors of Luthori. We can reach our goals through diplomacy. War is wrong, for we are not allowed to murder, and, strictly, war is murder. We rest our case, Nesi HaMedina Shadrach Harris |
| Date | 09:50:55, August 09, 2012 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The people have made their case. They have shown large support for us and our fight for Squibble. We have won the people's seat, and we have won the Knesset. We assure Indrala that we will be at their side in the war. We will allow a little while longer for debate before we go and put this to vote. What do you think needs to be done in this war members of the PYPB? |
| Date | 13:00:13, August 09, 2012 CET | From | Patriarchal-Yeudi Party of Beiteynu | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We must accept our loss. But we will not let our voters, who are still against the war, down! But if war is inevitable, we have one demand: Save as much lives as possible. We further demand that there will be no attacks on civilians and/or civilian targets. Further, we need to push our 'enemy' to the point where they can not deny diplomatic talks. It is important we stop fighting as soon a possible, and open conversations with our 'enemy'. We need to conquest our lands through diplomacy, and may the war, which is a pity, lead to diplomacy. Again, we still believe that war equals murder, and G-d forbid murder. May the Almighty One judge the warmongering people, and may the peaceful people roam in Heavenly Goodness. We rest our case, Shadrach Harris |
| Date | 05:05:23, August 10, 2012 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | The Minister of Defense will take your geivences into consideration as we go out and join this war. |
| Date | 07:39:07, August 11, 2012 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | After review of the Constitution (OOC: the Rilandor Accords) we have discovered we need Rosh HaMemshala Chaim Rosenberg's approval of the war. We ask you for your personal approval before we continue on with the war effort. |
| Date | 11:35:15, August 13, 2012 CET | From | Patriarchal-Yeudi Party of Beiteynu | To | Debating the Operation Joshua: Declaration of War against Zardgul |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I, the Rosh HaMemshala of Beiteynu, will not give my approval to go to war. The Constitution will not allow Beiteynu to go to war without my approval, so there will and can not be a war now. I rest my case, Rosh HaMemshala Chaim Rosenberg |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |
| yes | Total Seats: 78 | |
| no | Total Seats: 42 | |
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Periodically, it is a good idea to go through your nation's Treaties and arrange to withdraw from any that are unwanted. |
| Random quote: "War crimes is such a lilliputian term for the atrocities committed by the Yeudish state." - Katrine Lorenzen, former Kazulian diplomat |