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Bill: The Pension System Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: People's Socialist Labour Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3350
Description[?]:
| To bring the pension system back fully into state control and ensure all workers receive an equal pension. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.
Old value:: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Current: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.
Proposed: The state operates a compulsory, public pension system.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:29:56, August 14, 2012 CET | From |  Green-Left Communalist Collective | To | Debating the The Pension System Bill |
| Message | This is a reasonable proposal, however, we feel that syndicates and co-operatives should have the freedom to establish their own 'private' pensions as well, for that reason we'll vote against. |
| Date | 22:38:28, August 14, 2012 CET | From | People's Socialist Labour Party | To | Debating the The Pension System Bill |
| Message | We are motivated primarily by the desire for equality, and feel that any level of private pension coverage can create a level of potential inequality in the system even if individual cooperatives operate their systems on an equitable basis since their scheme may be more or less generous that that of a different cooperative. |
| Date | 01:03:23, August 15, 2012 CET | From | Green-Left Communalist Collective | To | Debating the The Pension System Bill |
| Message | After a members poll including all the organisations under the A-HS umbrella; we must yield to support this Bill. |
| Date | 05:08:38, August 15, 2012 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the The Pension System Bill |
| Message | "since their scheme may be more or less generous that that of a different cooperative." "Private" Pension systems are set up by the cooperatives and would come out of the cooperatives profits and employee wages. So, the coops that decide to increase their pension would necessarily decrease their current wages. So the only differences between the coops would not be in overall lifetime income (per se), but in when the income is realized, whether more is distributed now and less to the pension, or decidedly more toward the pension in lieu of an increased wage now.... As always it would be decided democratically by the employees, and we support that. |
| Date | 07:40:51, August 15, 2012 CET | From | Iqembu Sokusebenzisana Yeningi | To | Debating the The Pension System Bill |
| Message | Although both sides have reasonable arguments, on balance CCC will take the egalitarian position. Pensions should go to each according to her or his need, not because of having worked for a particular organization. |
| Date | 10:35:18, August 15, 2012 CET | From | SCI Libertarian-Socialist Syndicate (LL) | To | Debating the The Pension System Bill |
| Message | To note: The existence of a supplementary private pension does not remove the universal public pension, which every person will receive. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 400 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 350 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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