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Bill: The Green Reform Bill

Details

Submitted by[?]: Likaton Fascist Front

Status[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: August 2153

Description[?]:

Ecological concerns are paramount in the PSS, and we have decided that the hard decisions about our Environment have to be made now.
In order to save the country for those that may come after us, we propose the following law changes.

PSS acknowledges these changes may seem radical, but the consequences may be grave if not addressed now.

Proposals

Debate

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date19:39:17, December 07, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the The Green Reform Bill
MessageWell, the AAS COULD support the first proposal, but are somewhat opposed to the second.... although it IS a move in the right direction. The AAS would be much happier to support, if the governemnt disposed of ALL waste.

Date21:08:03, December 07, 2005 CET
FromAM Radical Libertarian Party
ToDebating the The Green Reform Bill
MessageWe must oppose both proposals at this time.

The first issue is, in our economically driven philosophy, best handled in just the way we currently do; by making it economical to use collective transportation and/or environmentally friendly fuels.

The second issue is best handled by using the greater effeciency of private enterprise. We are also worried about the effect on the economy of closing down the private companies currently handling the residential waste disposal.

Date10:48:20, December 08, 2005 CET
FromPeople's Party
ToDebating the The Green Reform Bill
MessageI agree with RLP

Date17:19:15, December 08, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the The Green Reform Bill
MessageThe AAS disagrees... if ONLY eco-friendly fuels are allowed, economic forces will make those fuels economically viable. Even collective transport is a mere gesture, UNLESS that collective transport is ALSO environmentally friendly.

Incentivising eco-fuels, but NOT putting sufficient incentive in the eco-friendly VEHICLE market, is like putting a band-aid on an amputee...

Date19:56:33, December 08, 2005 CET
FromAM Radical Libertarian Party
ToDebating the The Green Reform Bill
MessageWe have to respectfully disagree with our associates in the AAS; if only eco-friendly fuels are allowed they do not have the economic incentive to become competative. As long as they have to compete with other fuels on a fair basis, with incentives to reflect the lower social cost of the eco-friendly alternative, they will be moved to more effecient prioduction which will lower the cost and increase the market share. Remove this competative pressure, and the innovation process slows or stops and the costs do not go down.

Date04:46:24, December 09, 2005 CET
FromCommonwealth Workers Army
ToDebating the The Green Reform Bill
MessageResponse to the RLP: But, surely... by THAT token, you are also arguing that free-market forces have no power to hold our current (non-eco-friendly) fossil fuel market in check?

Indeed - if you are arguing that ONLY the presence of alternative fuels has held the price where it is, then you are ALSO arguing that pre-alternative, we were ALL getting screwed by the oil companies?

Surely, it is only logical that the market will adjust to the available environment? Thus - if ONLY 'green' fuels are available, then the market will be shaped by consumer impact based ON THAT paradigm... so prices will be held down by virtue of competition in THAT arena.

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Voting

Vote Seats
yes
  

Total Seats: 106

no
    

Total Seats: 273

abstain
  

Total Seats: 121


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