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Bill: National Service Act, 3390
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative National Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3391
Description[?]:
| Mr. Speaker, our nation needs citizens who are filled with patriotic spirit instead of the current apathy that abounds today. Therefore, I propose that all citizens, once their schooling is completed, must participate in program of civilian national service. However, those that decide to join the military shall not be required to participate in this program. I believe that this program of national service or military service is an excellent way to instil the values of patriotism into the youth of Dranland. Mr. James McClellan MP Member for Ulbrach |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change National service.
Old value:: There shall be no mandatory military or civilian national service.
Current: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Proposed: All adults upon completion of schooling must serve either a term in the military or a lesser paid term of civilian national service, at their option.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:32:59, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | We oppose this coercive measure that is based on the position that the state should drill and discipline young people to make them submissive to authorities (which the CNP calls 'patriotism'). We firmly support the goal of a stronger military, but this should be accomplished by improving its capabilities (through nuclear weapons and modern technological equipment) as well as hiring more professional soldiers to serve among its ranks, which will be much more effective than coercion. James Tanaka (GNP) Minister of Defence |
| Date | 11:17:58, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Conservative National Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, it is necessary for the government to instill the values of patriotism in our nation's youth. We are no doing so to make them submissive to authorities, but rather to make them pay back what is due to society and to build within them a healthy civic spirit. Of course, there is an option to join the military, in which case civilian national service will not be compulsory (although the most laudably patriotic may opt to do both); thus, the professionality of our military is maintained without coercion. Mr. James McClellan MP Member for Ulbrach |
| Date | 11:24:22, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Conservative National Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | OOC: I presume the PP isn't going to be very happy about this. Let's wait and see. |
| Date | 17:25:32, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Popular Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | I seriously thought this was some sort if sick joke when I saw this bill. Thus bill is quite frankly the biggest load of rubbish I have ever seen proposed in this parliament . Why on earth should perfectly law-abiding young people be forced to go through the CNP's 'patriotism' programme? The CNP claim to support a stronger military but I do not understand how forcing a group of people, most of whom will have absolutely no interest or desire to be in the military to serve will make our armed forces stronger. In fact, I think it would do quite the opposite. If this bill was to pass, the Popular Party would support any young person who wished to challenge its' legality in the courts or in fact simply refuse to participate. The fact that I am here today rather than my colleague Mr Marshall shows how angry we are at this bill. If Mr Marshall was here today, he would certainly be unable to restrain himself from launching an aggressive attack on this stupid, unneeded bill and its' supporters. Patrick Flanagan Popular Party Defence Spokesman |
| Date | 17:32:25, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Popular Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | I think the CNP should go and actually speak to military chiefs to find out how badly this bill will affect them. I know however that that is not going to happen as the CNP and its' members are ignorant and stuck in the past. The CNP should invent some sort of time machine to transport them back to millenniums ago as that is how they obviously want Dranland to end up. John Morrison Justice Minister, Popular Party Deputy Leader and Leader of Popular Party Campaign Against the Conservative National Party |
| Date | 18:32:35, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Popular Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | We are also saddened to see James McClellan who although we did not always agree, was always able to work constructively with The Popular Party and other parties, proposing monstrous bills like this. John Morrison Justice Minister, Popular Party Deputy Leader and Leader of Popular Party Campaign Against the Conservative National Party |
| Date | 19:58:29, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Conservative National Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, the Hon. Gentlemen and Rt. Hon. Gentleman oppose seem to have misinterpreted this bill. There is no requirement that our nation's youth join the military. I say that again, Mr. Speaker: there is no requirement that our nation's youth join the military. This proposal may slightly boost our military numbers, but there will be no influx of coerced troops. It will not have any adverse impact on our military. What it is mandating is civilian national service, which can be avoided by military service. Mr. Speaker, civilian national service will instill the values of patriotism, but will have no adverse impact on the military. I do not intend to make this program particularly long or strenuous, just sufficient for our nation's youth to properly embody patriotic values. Mr. James McClellan MP Member for Ulbrach |
| Date | 20:08:50, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Popular Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | To "properly embody patriotic values". The Hon. Member for Ulbrach is sounding more ridiculous by the minute. John Morrison Justice Minister, Popular Party Deputy Leader and Leader of Popular Party Campaign Against the Conservative National Party. |
| Date | 20:56:10, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Conservative National Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, the Rt. Hon. Gentleman seems to think that my concern for patriotism is, I quote, 'more ridiculous by the minute'. Evidently, that is not a good attitude for a government Minister. Mr. James McClellan MP Member for Ulbrach |
| Date | 21:16:54, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Popular Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | I cannot understand how forcing perfectly low-abiding citizens to take part in some CNP scheme is going to make them more 'patriotic'. In fact, I think it will do quite the opposite. John Morrison Justice Minister, Popular Party Deputy Leader and Leader of Popular Party Campaign Against the Conservative National Party. |
| Date | 21:38:01, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Conservative National Party | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I must lament that many citizens follow the law not because of their innate desire to be of benefit to their community and country as a whole, but because of a fear of the consequences of violating laws. Mr. James McClellan MP Member for Ulbrach |
| Date | 22:11:32, November 04, 2012 CET | From | Frente Amplio de Acción Democrática | To | Debating the National Service Act, 3390 |
| Message | ooc: i really want to voice my opinion on this but I currently has no time. CNP don't desist on presenting this bill once again if it weren't to pass :P |
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Voting
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| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 250 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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