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Bill: Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Imperial Aristocratic League
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3399
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the Artanian Union (AU). If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the Artanian Union (AU).
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:43:58, November 17, 2012 CET | From |  Luthorian Democrats | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I would like to once more repeat my party's position regarding Luthorian membership of the Artanian Union: we will not allow Luthori to join an alliance which will erode our sovereignty and reduce Luthori from a superpower to a mere member-state of a weak union. I yield. |
| Date | 16:48:12, November 17, 2012 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Member of the Luthori Labour Party, We must make an effort to mention that Luthori is not even close to being eroded as a world power, this is merely a forum for Artanian nations to cooperate and be create a peaceful, secure environment for it's people. The belief that it erodes Luthori sovereignty is absolutely preposterous. Wenzeslaus Rot, Director-General of the Artanian Union (Acting) |
| Date | 21:03:27, November 17, 2012 CET | From | Luthorian Democrats | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The first sentence quite clearly states that it will erode sovereignty: 'The Artanian Union Charter strives to unite the continent of Artania economically, socially and politically.' I yield. |
| Date | 21:11:34, November 17, 2012 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Whilst that is the line, it is far from what you perceive it to be. Cooperation is what the Artanian Union strives for. The Union does not care to unite Artania into an Artanian state, that is a goal which we in Dorvik are against. Clearly you are not interested in the economic or social success of the continent of Artania. The Union strives solely to cooperate and foster cooperation between it's member states. Wenzeslaus Rot, Director-General of the Artanian Union (Acting) |
| Date | 00:49:40, November 18, 2012 CET | From | Luthorian Democrats | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It clearly states that it wishes to unify Artania into one state. We could understand the need for economic co-operation in Artania, fiscal union however would be disastrous. As for social and political union, that would be completely far-fetched. The Artanian Union is nothing but an elitist bureaucratic fantasy. I yield. |
| Date | 03:19:00, November 18, 2012 CET | From | Imperial Aristocratic League | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We have the same concerns that our friends in the Labor Party do, we would never propose a bill that limits Luthori's sovereignty. The ILA believes that the main purpose of the AU is to bring the continent together as friends and to aid each other when necessary. If at any point it appeared the AU would try to go beyond those constraints we in the ILA would immediately move to remove Luthori from the AU. Therefore we ask the Labor Party to allow Luthori entrance into the AU and in return we swear on the Emperor that should the AU over stretch itself we would seek removal. I Yield Imperial-Seal Bearer Arthur Price. |
| Date | 12:43:47, November 18, 2012 CET | From | Luthorian Democrats | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, 'We would never propose a bill that limits Luthori's sovereignty', yet they propose this bill? A bill which they admit they have 'the same concerns' that we do! Why then, do they propose it? The AU treaty clearly suggests that it seeks to establish a supranational entity. We will never ever drag Luthori into any sort of union in which our sovereignty will be eroded. We ask the Imperial-Libertarian Alliance to never propose ratification of this treaty ever again. We would also like to make clear that it shall be the Luthori Labour Party's job to defend our sovereignty, superpower status, and our way of life. I am sure the Emperor would be most bemused by this proposal and the comments that you have made. I yield. |
| Date | 14:41:46, November 18, 2012 CET | From | Imperial Aristocratic League | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The only thing the Labor has ever proposed is a more government regulation and more government interference in the lives of Luthorians. And now the only thing you support is keeping Luthori in an isolated bubble while the rest of Terra moves forward. Luthori has an opportunity here to be a key leader among a group of well respected nations. Joining the AU would only add to the greatness of Luthori. Luthori's status as a world wide power would not diminish but be enhanced. We deplore the Labor party to see all the positives that cold come of this. And as for our glorious Emperor, we can a sure our friends the AU has his full support or else the ILA would not propose this once, let alone twice. I Yield. |
| Date | 15:37:31, November 18, 2012 CET | From | Luthorian Democrats | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The only thing my party has done is to legislate in order to improve the standard of living and well-being of Luthorians. In contrast, your ideological party has dismantled the state and everything that keeps our country together. Now you wish to take the next step by completely dismantling Luthori as an entity. Luthori is not isolated. Luthori has historically been the world's superpower. We have been actively engaged in international affairs throughout our history. The only regression in this country is when your party is in power. Luthori is already a key leader in the world. We don't need to be absorbed into the AU to continue this status. IF we join the AU we will be a mere member-state in a controversial group of nations. Other nations would become reliant upon our own economic, military, and sociological prowess, and we will be drained. We have always been willing to compromise with and support some of your legislative proposals but this is something that we can never, ever support. The Labour Party sincerely hopes that Luthori never loses her independence, or her way of life. I yield. |
| Date | 03:36:08, November 19, 2012 CET | From | Imperial Aristocratic League | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Luthori is more isolated today than she has been in centuries. Our closes friend and ally Hulstria has fallen to left-wing ideologues. The International Monarchist League is a shadow of its former self. Luthori has very few friends. This is the ILA's main reasons for proposing that Luthori enter the Artanian Union. Now we grant you, the language of the treaty is not ideal however joining it would provide Luthori with more friends than she currently has. Dundorf and Beluzia are both respectable countries that are member of the AU and two countries that Luthori can rely on. Obviously though this is a situation where we will have to agree to dis-agree. I Yield. |
| Date | 04:36:46, November 19, 2012 CET | From | Hosian-Konservative Allianz | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We would like to point out the very next line in the charter of the Artanian Union. "The Artanian Union will be a supranational organization however will not ask any nation to resign its sovereignty which every nation has fought for throughout its history." This condemns all hopes that the Artanian Union seeks a pan-Artanian state and would never ask a nation to resign its sovereignty. Wenzeslaus Rot, Director-General of the Artanian Union (Acting) |
| Date | 11:25:46, November 19, 2012 CET | From | Luthorian Democrats | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The quote highlighted by the DKP is completely contradictory. The AU treaty being awfully written is yet another reason why we will block Luthorian membership. Furthermore, neither Dundorf or Beluzia are members of the union. In fact, Beluzia condemned the AU over 30 years ago. We have made our position quite clear and will not comment further on the matter. I yield. |
| Date | 22:29:22, November 19, 2012 CET | From | Imperial Aristocratic League | To | Debating the Ratification of the Artanian Union (AU) |
| Message | OOC: Woops was in a hurry and messed that up. meant to say Dorvik and Darnussia Mr. Speaker, We are deeply sadden by the Labor Parties refusal. We move the motion to a vote. I Yield. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 364 | ||
| no |
Total Seats: 285 | ||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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