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Bill: Pensions for All Act

Details

Submitted by^[?]: Democratic Socialist Party

Status^[?]: defeated

Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.

Voting deadline: October 3425

Description^[?]:

Every Dranish citizen should be entitled to a decent retirement income.

Cadfael Maddocks MP
(Leader of the DSP)

Proposal^[?] to change The government's policy concerning the pension system.

Old value:: The state offers a voluntary public pension, combined with other voluntary private pensions.

Current: The state operates a compulsory, public pension system.

Proposed: The state operates a compulsory public system combined with an optional private pension.

These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:

Date	12:08:59, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Grand National Party
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	Mr Speaker, all the DSP is calling for, regardless on which issue, is mandates, obligations and coercion. Why are the socialists so fervently opposed to private autonomy? Craig Warwick MP Member for Elbian GNP Parliamentary Leader

Date	14:21:02, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	Madam Speaker, if "private autonomy" means the ability of the wealthy to hoarde and enlarge their undeserved riches whilst forcing our elderly citizens to live in poverty, then hands up - I am guilty of being "opposed to private autonomy". What we in the DSP stand for is a fair deal for everybody in society, whether they are rich or poor. Dranland is a prosperous and civilised enough nation to make sure all of her elderly people live in dignity and comfort. Cadfael Maddocks MP (Leader of the DSP)

Date	14:31:10, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Grand National Party
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	Madam Speaker, what Mr Maddocks is saying that individual responsibility should not exist, but all burden for the welfare of the whole of society should be imposed on a small number of scapegoats. In contrast, the GNP will fight for an ideal economic framework where everyone can prosper through his own efforts, but where thievish redistribution does not exist. But we thank the Rt. Hon. Gentleman for admitting that he is decidedly opposed to both private autonomy and the sanctity of property. Craig Warwick MP Member for Elbian GNP Chairman

Date	14:36:21, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Plaid Genedlaethol Rhyddfrydol
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	Madam Speaker, we don't see the need for the bill since the government already provides a public pension. Cordelia Calderon Bedward MP President of PGR

Date	14:37:42, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Plaid Genedlaethol Rhyddfrydol
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	Madam Speaker, we don't see the need for the bill since the government already provides a public pension. Cordelia Calderon Bedward MP President of PGR

Date	17:24:39, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	Madam Speaker, it is precisely because we democratic socialists are in favour of the dignity and autonomy of individuals that we support reforming the economic, social and political systems which oppress them and give them an unfair deal. By contrast, it is the GNP and their allies who want to repress ordinary individuals by maintaining the privileges of the wealthy elite. When the GNP and its allies talk of "private autonomy and the sanctity of property" what they really mean is that they defend the freedom of the wealthy and powerful to leech off and rule over the rest of us. Cadfael Maddocks MP (Leader of the DSP) OOC: Do we still have "Madam Speaker"? I am getting used to her now - perhaps we can let her serve a second term in the Speaker's Chair?

Date	18:23:58, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Grand National Party
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	Madam Speaker, I always find it amusing how the Hon. Gentleman abandons his usually distinguished rhetoric in exchange for hateful class warfare whenever he sees an opportunity arise to denounce wealthy Dranians. Might Mr Maddocks mind to explain how defending one's property against the envy of others, incited by the DSP and their propaganda, equals leeching off 'the rest of us'? Craig Warwick MP Member for Elbian GNP Chairman OOC: I'd have no objections to that. The DSP would have to give its consent, though.

Date	19:26:03, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	Madam Speaker, it is Mr. Warwick rather than myself who is engaging in the rhetoric of class warfare. It is his insistence that the ill-gotten gains of the rich are justified when they are not which is causing the division between us. It is because of the insistence of people like him that the impoverishment of the masses is acceptable that the Democratic Socialist Party was formed in the first place. We are a party of the people and we mean to do away with the undeserved privileges of the wealthy elite! Cadfael Maddocks MP (Leader of the DSP)

Date	19:27:38, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Democratic Socialist Party
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	OOC: Yeah, that's fine with us. Delia Breckinridge is Speaker, isn't she? At least if we let her serve as Speaker again, we can pretend we're being "bi-partisan" and "bringing all sides together" :)

Date	19:38:13, January 12, 2013 CET
From	Grand National Party
To	Debating the Pensions for All Act
Message	Madam Speaker, the Hon. Member is quite frankly out of touch with reality. His obscure ramblings about the 'impoverishment of the masses' is proven wring by the fact that Dranland is a thriving first world country, thanks to the blessing that is capitalism. Craig Warwick MP Member for Elbian GNP Chairman OOC: Yay, bipartisanship! While simultaneously calling each other elitists and class-warfarists ;-)

Vote

Seats

yes

Total Seats: 88

Total Seats: 198

abstain

Total Seats: 65

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