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Bill: Progressive Crime Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Workers Party of Deltaria
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3428
Description[?]:
| As below. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Voting rights of criminals.
Old value:: Criminals released from jail are allowed to vote.
Current: Criminals released from jail are allowed to vote.
Proposed: Criminals released from jail are allowed to vote after a certain period of time.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Curfew policy (curfew time to be determined in the bill description).
Old value:: Local governments may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Current: The national government may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Proposed: The national government may impose curfews, but only if a state of emergency has been declared.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning gated communities.
Old value:: The private sector can set up gated communities.
Current: No gated communities are allowed.
Proposed: No gated communities are allowed.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change
The government's stance on illegal aliens.
Old value:: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and expels them from the country.
Current: The government does not actively search for illegal aliens, but expels them from the country when discovered.
Proposed: The government actively searches houses for illegal aliens and puts them in integration centers when discovered.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the organization of police/law enforcement
Old value:: The operation and funding of the police is left to local governments.
Current: There is a national police department funded by the national government and there are local police departments, funded by local governments.
Proposed: There is a national police department funded by the national government and there are local police departments, funded by local governments.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Current: Police officers may only carry standard firearms apart from specially trained firearms units.
Proposed: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons apart from specially trained firearms units.
Article 7
Proposal[?] to change Public executions (if death penalty is legal).
Old value:: Executions are always carried out in public and/or broadcast on television.
Current: Executions are always carried out in private; however, family members, the victim and the victim's relatives are allowed to be present.
Proposed: Executions are always carried out in private; however, family members, the victim and the victim's relatives are allowed to be present.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 20:25:34, January 16, 2013 CET | From |  Workers Party of Deltaria | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | We ask the house to vote in favor of the new justice system, which protects human rights and helps rehabilitate prisoners through allowing them to earn the right to vote back. This integrates them with the world around them and the changes that are taking place in society. We have a firm brief that this is a better policy and call on the house to vote in favor! President Schnultz Of The Federal Republic of Deltaria General Secretary of the DSP |
| Date | 23:00:37, January 16, 2013 CET | From | Demokratychna Delic Partija | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | The proposed reforms only further the creation of a socialist police state, we have functioned fine without national curfews and a national gestapo to enforce laws, lastly the execution reform is cowardly, if we are to make the decison that some people deserve to loose their life as a nation we should take responsiblity and at least face the executions in public since it is the public law that took their life |
| Date | 04:46:58, January 17, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | While we don't agree with the ramblings of the Whigs, we think that the DSP should've waited and discussed certain aspects of this bill thoroughly (as we've done with certain bills which we thought wouldn't get a coherent positive response by breaking them up) The points I wish to raise are with: Article 2 - this article will decrease the independe and autonomy of our regions, which isn't fair to most of them since not all of them are ruled by Whigs Article 3 - we don't understand the reasoning for this policy. Certain establishments will need protection. Also since the private sector has gated sections it nly refers to most business establishments. It's basically a policy which might pose serious security problems to certain establishments which might need protection Article 4 - illegal aliens can't be tolerated in this nation. We can't afford derailing controlled immigration. It ultimately leads to xenophobia NC other issues. However, if certain aliens are persecuted in their own nation, we believe that they can claim asylum with some laws the conservative luckily didn't touch Article 5 - this again removes autonomy for the regions. Deltaria is ultimately a Federal Republic, the more independence we remove for the regions, the more dissidence we'll face Article 6 - while we're liberalising the fascist state established by the conservatives, we have to ensure that our law enforcement is strong so we don't face law and order issues. This will ultimately lead to a weaker enforcement of law We however praise articles 1 and 7 which are truly just policies Let's remind thesis forum that we're not Conservatives who'll die for their lofty fascists ideals, we're ready to accept the above proposals if the DSP can address our concerns with complete reason. If not at then, we urge the DSP to present a new bill, where we can discus these issues comprehensively. But until then, we can't support this proposal. Sir Roy Mathias NC Prez Former 2-time Premier of Deltaria Former Foreign Minister |
| Date | 04:50:28, January 17, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | We thoroughly don't agree with articles 6 and 3, and the DSP will have to give a good reason for these policies. Karl Mathias Foreign minister |
| Date | 05:07:05, January 17, 2013 CET | From | Demokratychna Delic Partija | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | It seems Minister Mathias may have a little bit of his grandfather in him in seeing this bill for the bad idea it is Lord Nicholas McCray Former President of Deltaria 3415-3421 Whig Party Chairman |
| Date | 19:27:08, January 17, 2013 CET | From | Workers Party of Deltaria | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | Gated communities segregate society, Police officers should be able to kill people, they are there to reinforce law and speak with people. This bill is better than the hardcore police state the Whigs had put in place! |
| Date | 19:27:34, January 17, 2013 CET | From | Workers Party of Deltaria | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | shouldnt* be able to kill people. |
| Date | 19:46:03, January 17, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | We're sorry but if people wish to protect themselves, we can't deny them the right. The gun nuts' arguments will get false heat if the police can't protection when needed. It's essential that the general populace which usually has poor gun training (unless they're rifle champions), doesn't have a need to greater gun possession for their self-defence. But at the same time society must ensure that it can protect citizens. |
| Date | 19:46:17, January 17, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | We'll support the remaining articles |
| Date | 01:45:51, January 18, 2013 CET | From | Deltarian Conservative Party | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | I believe many gun owners take offense to your comments. It is true many gun owners don't have formal training, they still go to gun ranges to increased there skill and accuracy with their firearms. |
| Date | 02:36:27, January 18, 2013 CET | From | Interim National Democratic Congress | To | Debating the Progressive Crime Bill |
| Message | It's essential that the government receives supply at the moment, thus, we'll support the bill now and then ask for changes. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 205 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 175 | |||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 0 |
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