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Bill: Fair Fines Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Democratic Socialist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 3438
Description[?]:
| Mr. Speaker, this Bill proposes that all fixed fines for criminal offences should be abolished and replaced by a "Fair Fines" system where the fine a person pays is related to the size of their income. The people of Dranland are fed up with the feral rich who commit as many offences as they want because they know they can pay the fine easily. All of these millionaires and billionaires need to learn the meaning of proper Dranish justice! Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:55:18, February 06, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker, there is of course no viable source that would prove the Opposition Leader's class-warfarist claim that the rich are committing crimes arbitrarily because they know they can afford it. Mr Speaker, a crime is a crime, and its immoral nature remains the same regardless of the miscreant's size of income. This is yet another attempt of the shameless socialists to incite class hatred and envy and proves that not even the Dranish justice system is sacred enough for the DSP propaganda in order to be spared from their perverted, relativist ideas of "fairness", which is in fact only a cover-up for their deep, irrational, merely ideologically motivated hate for successful Dranians, who they constantly defame, smear and besmirch as the source of all the non-existent problems that they perceive when once again portraying our prosperous nation as a hellhole full of poverty and starvation, which only reflects how much they are out of touch with reality. Julia Breckinridge MP Member for Ulbrach GNP Parliamentary Leader |
| Date | 03:00:56, February 06, 2013 CET | From | Plaid Genedlaethol Rhyddfrydol | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | OOC: I'm leader We find the idea that the rich commit crimes because they can get always with to be laughable, I'm a leftist but I don't buy the same nonsense. Brychan Cadwallader MP Leader of the Opposition |
| Date | 09:50:38, February 06, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker Mr Benandez cast in the same mold with Mr Dong.What you say means rich should get more punishment because of they are more wealthy than poor, is more non-sense than Mr.Dong's satanic capitalist plot.Mr Benandez what you suggest is disgustingly discriminating and stupid.What about the middle class they should get punished more, right because the aren't poor as lower class.Don't you dare to call yourself a communist, socialist or left-wing.Even those people believe in equality in a nonsense way .You can only be a fascist, you are plutophobic (OOC: fear from wealth lol!). Daniel LeCoultre MP from Valdor Deputy Leader of Greens |
| Date | 00:47:03, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, this Bill is about achieving Fair Fines as opposed to Unfair Fines. Why should a millionaire pay a fine which is meaningless to him, whilst a poor person pays a fine which might prevent him from putting food on the table for a week? A more proportionate system of imposing fines would be must more just. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
| Date | 08:56:48, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker If they both committed same crime,than they should get same amount of punishment.What you suggest is a free tickets to criminals. Daniel LeCoultre MP from Valdor Deputy Leader of Greens |
| Date | 13:33:27, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I agree absolutely with the Honourable Member Daniel LeCoultre. Two people commiting the same crime *should* receive the same amount of punishment and it is *precisely* because of this principle that we want to introduce a fair and proportionate fines system which fines each person in a fair and proportionate way in accordance with their ability to pay. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
| Date | 13:37:27, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker We all agree on equal punishment so when will DSP delete this motion Daniel LeCoultre MP from Valdor Deputy Leader of Greens |
| Date | 13:50:35, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, to the contrary, the DSP believes in equal and fair punishment for all law-breakers, whereas the other Dranish parties want a legal system that punish the poor much, much more harshly than the rich. Again, why should a rich man receive a fine which hardly dents his bank account, whilst a poor man - who commits the same crime - is given a crime which leaves him unable to put food on his plate for the week? The 'Fair Fines Act' is part of our election manifesto , and we are going to be asking the Dranish people to endorse it by voting for us! Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
| Date | 14:00:01, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker Why DSP are anti-rich and believes in discriminating people, he is worse than MBSM at least they accept their support for discrimination.Benandez the Fascist, destroy DSP, before it's too late come and join Greens. Dolores Abala MP from Ulbrach |
| Date | 17:48:07, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, the Honourable Member Dolores Abala has got me all wrong. I don't hate the rich - I love them, just as I love all people! It is not the rich themselves I object to, only their excessive and unjust accumulations of economic, social and political power. It is true that under a Fair Fines system, a rich person will pay a higher fine than a poor person. If our opponents object to this so very much, then they always have the option of working with us in order to reduce the gap between the rich and the poor and so reduce the discrepancy between the fines paid by the richest and the fines paid by the poorest. Or is that too much to ask? Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
| Date | 19:50:33, February 07, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker For Mr.Benandez's question yes it is too much to ask.Lady Justice, symbol of Justice, is blind why because all should prosectued equally not fairly. Justice is not about fairness, it is about equality.Mr Benandez wants to change whole concept of justice because of what hating wealth and fear from wealth.He is unreasonabely insane.God saves us from a Benandez Prime Ministership Dolores Abala MP from Ulbrach |
| Date | 00:38:00, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, has the Honourable Lady considered that a DRA1000 fine will be a more severe punishment for a person on DRA10,000 a year than a person on DRA1,000,000 a year? It is we who are proposing fairness, and our opponents who are proposing a fines system that discriminates against the poor by punishing them more heavily. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
| Date | 00:45:16, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker I think Mr.Benandez has some issues regarding understand a sentence, from what i said ,that response was just meaningless. Justice is not about fairness ,it is about equality just equality nof ifs and buts just equality.What he proposed is unconstitutional and even if this law passed which is not,constitutional court will repeal it so,Mr.Benandez don't humiliate yourself anymore. Dolores Abala MP from Ulbrach |
| Date | 00:56:07, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, in a fair criminal justice system, where fines are issued, they take into account the ability to pay of the offender. A poor person cannot afford to pay very much in a fine, but should still be expected to pay something. A rich person can afford to pay much more, and should be expected to pay much more. Why should a poor person receive a fine which makes him unable to pay his rent for the month, whilst a rich person who committed the same offence pays a fine which he doesn't even notice going out of his bank account? There is nothing unconstitutional in what we are proposing. We are asking for justice and nothing else. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
| Date | 01:10:38, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker I want to say it one more time, there is not such thing as a fair criminal justice system, there is a criminal justice system that has to work equally not fairly.But Mr.Benandez has inability to understand it.Mr.Benandez if you still not understand it ask your MP's, i assume there is someone who has a law degree in there.If you don't you can ask Ms.McCormick, she said she will be grateful to offer you help to understand the justice system. Dolores Abala MP from Ulbrach |
| Date | 01:26:35, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, "Fair Fines" are very equal because they punish the poor and the rich equally, as opposed to the current system which punishes the poor very harsly and the rich very lightly. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
| Date | 01:30:23, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | OOC: Some interesting links... http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-10960230 http://news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/uk_politics/4173913.stm |
| Date | 01:38:54, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr Speaker I think somebody should give Mr.Benandez a dictionary and read it loud and repeat it thrice to Mr.Benandez since he understood a question or meaning of something in the third time. Dolores Abala MP from Ulbrach |
| Date | 02:08:41, February 08, 2013 CET | From | Democratic Socialist Party | To | Debating the Fair Fines Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Honourable Members are being very helpful to me today, offering me dictionaries, psychiatrists and all sorts of other services...but really, I have no real use for any of these things. Antonio Benandez MP (Leader of the DSP) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 99 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 300 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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