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Bill: Alcoholic Beverages Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical Democratic Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2157
Description[?]:
| The purpose of this bill is to abolish an unnecessary licensing requirement. We will safeguard public health by forbidding the sale of alcohol to minors. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards alcoholic beverages.
Old value:: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased only from licensed sales outlets, and can only be available to adults.
Current: The state has a monopoly on the sale of alcoholic beverages.
Proposed: Alcoholic beverages may be purchased and consumed anywhere, but only by adults.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:51:55, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Inrala Panjoregu Kiokutou (DPP) | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | We will support this bill |
| Date | 06:36:41, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Inrala no Ikolowagitou (Green) | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | We will not support any bill which seeks to reduce our countryside to an over-mechanised food factory. The current limits on farm sizes are more than sufficient to allow efficient production - larger sizes are only useful for promoting highly polluting chemical based strip farming. In too many other countries we have seen the results - land is concentrated into a few hands, over-exploited and ruined. We will not stand by and let this happen to Indrala. The remaining articles would have our support, but as the bill stands will will oppose. |
| Date | 07:49:56, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Radical Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | "The current limits on farm sizes are more than sufficient to allow efficient production - larger sizes are only useful for promoting highly polluting chemical based strip farming." We present the Green Party's farm utopia for the State of Mishari Karula: "Farming is subsistence-only, and takes place in a few small and arid fields in the local dustbowls. If the rains fail, farmers face starvation." |
| Date | 10:00:11, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Inrala no Ikolowagitou (Green) | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | OOC: As you should know, these descriptions are unreliable. The government policies have no effect on them. |
| Date | 15:00:25, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Radical Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | OOC: Which raises a point. Should we ignore the descriptions altogether? We have to make assumptions then - is Indrala more like Taiwan (from the Wiki description? Or more like Bangladesh (from the State descriptions)? The set of policies we would support would be quite different in either case. |
| Date | 02:16:44, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party of Indrala | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | Until the state descriptions are actually affected by our actions, we should ignore them. We would support this if Article 3 were removed, as we feel it is necessary to ensure safe food preparation practices. |
| Date | 03:52:04, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Radical Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | OOC: Correct me if I am wrong, but "Food sales" sounds to me more like supermarkets or butchers, not restaurants. Ergo, food preparation is not applicable to Article 3? |
| Date | 04:02:54, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party of Indrala | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | It's unclear to me. I reckon we should leave it as it is. |
| Date | 08:32:12, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Radical Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | Would the SDP be willing to leave Licensing of Food Sales to the local governments? |
| Date | 09:28:00, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Democratic Party of Indrala | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | We prefer the status quo. |
| Date | 14:29:16, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Inrala no Ikolowagitou (Green) | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | We do not see that food sales licensing adds any value. There are excellent food safety standards in place. Vendors are liable for the consequences of any failure to adhere to these standards. Why should they need to waste time on the red tape of obtaining a licence which bears no relevance to their competence to conduct their business? As things stand, every village bake sale needs to undego a complex rigmarole which adds no value, yet is charged to the taxpayer. Perhaps the RDP should contemplate another title change, since we now have two articles unrelated to each other or to the ostensible subject of food pricing. |
| Date | 16:01:04, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Radical Democratic Party | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | We will rather keep the old title to avoid more confusion. We will gladly add the Food Sales unlicensing provision back if there is some guarantee that the Act will get through Parliament. |
| Date | 20:16:56, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Inrala Panjoregu Kiokutou (DPP) | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | We fully support article 2 but after consideration feel unconvinced by article 1. We would prefer that the alcoholic beverages laws remain unchanged. |
| Date | 22:57:36, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Populist Islamic Workers' League | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | We would support this if it included that anyone may purchase alcoholic beverages. |
| Date | 04:10:03, December 17, 2005 CET | From | Inrala no Ikolowagitou (Green) | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | We are now in favour. The Marxists may have a point, but that can be addressed later. This is a step forwards. |
| Date | 11:40:48, December 17, 2005 CET | From | Inrala Panjoregu Kiokutou (DPP) | To | Debating the Alcoholic Beverages Act |
| Message | We now oppose this bill |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 160 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 115 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 25 |
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