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Bill: Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical Liberal Party of Dranland
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3455
Description[?]:
| 56% Dranianos 27% Welsh 19% Kyo 7% Kazulian 3% Egelian |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 21:04:55, March 01, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | That's interesting. I'd advocate less Dranianos and more Welsh. |
| Date | 21:16:04, March 01, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Me too. We can cut 20% Dranianos and add %8 Welsh |
| Date | 21:44:46, March 01, 2013 CET | From | Popular Party | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | OOC: I think a 20% cut would be a bit steep. I'd like to see a larger Kazulian and egelian population. |
| Date | 21:54:43, March 01, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | We can stop OOC, this an OOC discussion and we have a deficit of 12% so we need to cut deeply How about 16% Dranianos and %5 Kyo cutted and %3 Welsh added and rest of them which is %6 can be added to Kazulian population |
| Date | 23:43:41, March 01, 2013 CET | From | P.A.R.D | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | How about we cut 15% Dranianos and add 1% Kyo and 1% Welsh? |
| Date | 23:59:40, March 01, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Well done to the people who spotted this. I'm wondering why the statistics add up to 112%. One possibility is that the person who drew up the statistics envisaged the Dranianos overlapping with other cultures (which I suppose they do). For example, due to inter-racial relationships and for other cultural reasons, some Dranish citizens might identify as both Dranianos and Kyo. Nevertheless, I agree that we need better statistics, and they should add up to 100%. The statistics should tell us which cultural group citizens identify with the most. Dranland has a history of Dranianos, Welsh and Kyo parties, and currently has one Dranianos party, two Welsh parties and one Kyo party. For this reason, I believe that our ethnic breakdown should give a very significant slice to each of these three groups. Doing this would also reduce the likelihood of, for example, a Kyo party receiving more votes than the total size of the Kyo population in Dranland - which I think you would all agree would be a bit odd :). It is also important, I think, that the Dranianos should be by a large margin the largest ethnic group, because in roleplay we have always presumed they are the majority cultural group. Therefore, and I'm sorry to disappoint CalF, I'm going to propose the following: Dranianos - 45% Welsh - 27% Kyo - 25% Kazulian - 2% Other - 1% I appreciate that this is slashing the Kazulians very harshly, and eliminating the Egelians as a noticeable group. However, it does make it viable to roleplay Dranianos, Welsh and Kyo parties - which I think is important. |
| Date | 01:10:02, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | On second thoughts, given that two people have asked for Welsh representation to be increased, let me amend my proposal to: Dranianos - 42% Welsh - 30% Kyo - 25% Kazulian - 2% Others - 1% My main concern is that the 3 largest cultural groups should have at least 25% of the population, so as to make it feasible for players to roleplay parties from those groups, and that the Dranianos should be the largest group. Everybody else please give your views - agree or disagree, I don't mind :). Once we've sorted this out, I would like us to move on to sorting out our religious data. |
| Date | 02:37:26, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Popular Party | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | How about this: Dranianos- 44% Welsh- 23% Kyo- 21% Kazulian- 10% Egelian/other-1% If my sums don't add up, I apologise :-P I do think it's important to reflect our geographical proximity to Kazulia. |
| Date | 06:11:36, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | I think we need to open space for more Welsh and Kazulian, it has to be realistic so Dranianos %37 Welsh %30 Kyo %21 Kazulian %10 Others %2 |
| Date | 14:45:45, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Popular Action Party 인기있는 행동 | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | It's not the first time I've seen this kind of thing. I noticed it when I was editing the Dranish page. I agree with the PP's last proposal in general, Dranianos must remain far ahead of the others(the country is called Dranland!) but the two main minorities should add up to 45% or so. I'm not sure if 10% Kazulian is not too much - maybe 5-7% Dranianos- 46% Welsh- 24% Kyo- 21% Kazulian- 6% Others - 3% |
| Date | 15:05:31, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | I think the name "Dranland" (and before that, "Drania") actually orginates with the Kyos, who were also known as "Drenish" (dunno why!). When the Egelian (Spanish) settlers began to arrive and have mixed marriages with Kyos, they became known as "Dranianos" (which sounds like a combination of "Drenish" and "Espanios" or something like that). Like others, I am fond of the Kazulian culture in Particracy. For a short while I had a Kazulian leader of the DSP (Bergitte Mikkelsen), and I have also previously played in Kazulia. However, I don't think it works very well when a Particracy nations has more than 3 major cultural groups. For that reason, as much as I like the Kazulians, I would rather squeeze Kazulian population in Dranland than reduce the other 3. I'm particularly keen that the Kyo and the Welsh should be well-represented in Dranland, because Dranland is the only place in Terra to have these cultures in significant numbers. If you're mad on Kazulian enough, after all, you can always go to Kazulia! Ideally, I would like to see both the Welsh and the Kyo on at least 25%. However, in the spirit of compromise, I'd settle for somewhere between 20% and 25%. |
| Date | 15:19:15, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Great Kyo can be %21 but personally I want at least %30 Welsh and we should more Welsh than Kyo because many of them are assimilated and their is only one Kyo party and Two Welsh parties so we need more welsh because of my and PGR's representation |
| Date | 16:44:10, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Yes, I accept EgeDoruk's argument that the Welsh should be larger than the Kyo, both because they're larger already (27 vs 19) and because we have two Welsh parties. But I'm pushing for the Kyo to be closer to 25% than to 20%. How about: Dranianos - 43 Welsh - 29 Kyo - 23 Kazulian - 4 Others - 1 |
| Date | 16:50:02, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Symbolically if you change welsh to 30% and make kazulian %3 than it would be okay and BTW post your constituency that wanted to be RPed on DF |
| Date | 17:20:41, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | I will check out the Dranland Forum soon. Okay, here is the proposal which is mutually acceptable to EgeDoruk and myself: Dranianos - 43 Welsh - 30 Kyo - 23 Kazulian - 3 Others - 1 Don't get me wrong, I do love those Kazulians - but I'd rather squeeze them than squeeze the other 3 groups any further. How do others feel about this? |
| Date | 20:46:04, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | I'd go with Aquinas' most recently proposed numbers, although we could cut off one additional point from every major ethnic group to give the Kazulians a small boosts, so: Dranianos - 42 Welsh - 29 Kyo - 22 Kazulian - 6 Others - 1 |
| Date | 20:50:45, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Noooo!!! Welsh must be %30 at least. A little dramatisation would make an effect I assume |
| Date | 21:41:02, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Okay let's discuss it simply on provincial I propose Valdor has a Kyo plurality and a sizeable community in Ulbrach. Magadonia has 50% Dranianos with being culturally welsh citing all of its cities named in welsh and Loren has a minor welsh plurality and Elbian has Welsh Majority |
| Date | 23:56:49, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Well, EgeDoruk is clearly determined to get 30% for the Welsh :). How about... Dranianos - 42 Welsh - 30 Kyo - 22 Kazulian - 5 Others - 1 The issue I have with assigning cultural statistics to the different provinces is that it would create technical roleplaying problems for parties focussed on a particular cultural group. It would be awkward, for example, if a Kyo party won lots of seats in a region where Kyos formed only a very small part of the population. However, I am supportive of roleplaying the idea that certain cities within the provinces might be balanced more towards one culture than the others. |
| Date | 00:38:27, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Popular Party | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | I like Alain's proposal. |
| Date | 12:44:33, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | I also oppose meddling around with the regions, but in my opinion Ulbrach and Valdor always were Draniano-dominated, while there is strong influence of Welsh culture in Magadonia and Loren. Kyo influence is also considerable in Magadonia, Valdor and Elbian. |
| Date | 14:32:55, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Valdor is conservative so as Kyo and unlike Dranland and Dranianos /Welsh |
| Date | 21:11:13, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Here is my last proposal: Dranianos - 42 Welsh - 30 Kyo - 22 Kazulian - 5 Others - 1 For my part, I would have liked the Kyo to be a little higher and the Kazulians a little lower, but I've compromised - as, of course, have others here. How happily can we all live with this proposal? |
| Date | 21:12:08, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | btw. by "last proposal" I meant the last proposal I made - I'm not trying to lay down an ultimatum or anything authoritarian like that :) |
| Date | 21:44:14, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | I'd go for it. |
| Date | 21:51:24, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | Me too |
| Date | 23:08:55, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | If I'm right, technically we need two-thirds of the players in Dranland to agree on this to make it "official". |
| Date | 23:24:52, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | this means we need 3 more players, we can add reddy,RedWolf and CalF i assume than as always we disfunction VBSM and Libreals (evil smile). We could also ask to OneTimes to look at it too and libreals |
| Date | 23:35:27, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Popular Party | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | I will support it. |
| Date | 00:14:50, March 04, 2013 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Math Genius Strikes Again(We have %112 population) |
| Message | I support Aquinas proposal. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 357 | ||||||||
| no | Total Seats: 0 | ||||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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