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Bill: Homosexuals in the Military Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Gukmindang
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3449
Description[?]:
| We have nothing against gays or lesbians, but it is not generally appropriate for them to serve in the army, because homosexuality can disrupt unit solidarity. If they are discrete, then that is less of a problem, but if they are flamboyant about it then it creates problems. Haneul Han General Secretary of the Kyo Gukrip Pati |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Military stance on homosexuality.
Old value:: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Current: Homosexuality is allowed in the military.
Proposed: Open homosexuality is not tolerated in the military. The military has a "don't ask, don't tell" policy.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:51:46, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Popular Action Party 인기있는 행동 | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, You know the Hon. Mr Han's statement can be repeated and Kyo be substituted for Homosexuals and he would cry discrimination. What is different about this. A discriminated minority has no business calling for the discrimination of other minorities and God only knows how flamboyance damages 'unit solidarity'. Gwen Lloyd LOL Defence Critic |
| Date | 15:09:29, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker We have nothing against KGP, but it is not generally appropriate for them to serve in the parliament , because insanity and clinically insane can disrupt parliamentary or national sanity. If they are discrete, then that is less of a problem, but if they are flamboyant about it then it creates problems. Nikki Zasz Proud Gyeong Dong endorsee |
| Date | 16:51:18, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, I do understand the objections to this proposal. Let me emphasise that we oppose discrimination against gays and lesbians in other areas of life. However, let us not forget that serving in battle is a very unique situation. It is highly pressured, and frequently involves servicemen having to live at very close quarters to each other. Think about it seriously, and you will see the obvious potential for problems. It is just not realistic to treat the army like a factory floor or an office. Haneul Han General Secretary of the Kyo Gukrip Pati |
| Date | 16:58:45, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, we oppose discrimination against mentally retarded in other areas of life. However, let us not forget that serving in parliament is a very unique situation. It is highly pressured, and frequently involves congressmen having to negotiate and compromise at very important decision with each other. Think about it seriously, and you will see the obvious potential for problems. It is just not realistic to treat the parliament like a mental floor or an psychiatrıst's office. Nikki Zasz Proud Gyeong Dong endorsee |
| Date | 17:06:56, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | OOC: Very clever, EgeDoruk :) IC: Madam Speaker, I invite onlookers to listen to Nikki Zasz' many Kyophobic remarks and draw the appropriate conclusion. Haneul Han General Secretary of the Kyo Gukrip Pati |
| Date | 17:17:55, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker If my remarks are Kyophobic than Mr.Han's remarks are homophobic.We can go to community service together with gay Kyos.But than i remember unlike someone i have parliamentary privilages that i oppose too bad ,maybe next time than i think again next time be on tomorrow or earlier and still i have those privilages unlike someone Nikki Zasz Proud Gyeong Dong endorsee |
| Date | 20:34:36, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, suggesting that homosexual soldiers lack the professionalism to put their duties as members of their unit before their sexual orientation is discriminating and implies subtle homophobic tendencies at the KGP. One of the most absurd and unfair prejudices against homosexual people is that they show off their sexuality permanently and are thus unable to work with same-sex colleagues in a professional relationship, yet this is exactly what the KGP has built its proposal on. We vehemently oppose promoting unfounded disdain against homosexuals in the military with a policy like this. Jacqueline Townsend MP Member for Valdor GNP Defence Spokeswoman |
| Date | 23:32:59, March 02, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker, under our proposal, homosexual soldiers who behave professionally by keeping their sexuality private will not be acted against. We are only targetting a small minority who are blatantly flaboyant and make their fellow soldiers uncomfortable. I appeal to members to consider just what it is like being in the army, living at close quarters with the same soliders 24 hours a day. It is not like working in an office where you come home in the evenings. It just not realistic to impose the norms of civilian life on to military life. The military is very, very different - as anyone who has served in it will tell you. Haneul Han General Secretary of the Kyo Gukrip Pati |
| Date | 07:03:23, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker Mr.Han throws a mud and escapes from my reply how coward is he, this is not something even I expect from him.Shame on you homophobic and immoral bastard. Nikki Zasz Proud Gyeong Dong endorsee |
| Date | 21:00:18, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Order, order! I name Nikki Zasz! Nikki Zasz, the way in which you have addressed Mr. Han is unparliamentary. I must insist that you withdraw your comment and apologise to him. Maria Jimenez (Speaker of Parliament) OOC: Jimenez ought to be gone now - we need a new Speaker! |
| Date | 21:49:18, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Madam Speaker I withdraw the word bastard with idiot and congratulate for your re-election in Elbian Nikki Zasz Dong Proud Gyeong Dong endorsee and fiancee of Gyeong Dong OOC:Aquinas i think you get your answer |
| Date | 23:07:01, March 03, 2013 CET | From | Gukmindang | To | Debating the Homosexuals in the Military Act |
| Message | Order, order! Nikki Zasz Dong, you are failing to treat this chamber with the dignity it deserves. With regret, it is now my duty to suspend you from Parliament for the rest of the day. Maria Jimenez (Speaker of Parliament) |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 0 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 552 | ||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 93 |
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