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Bill: Staatskirchesgesetz, 3452
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3453
Description[?]:
| A BILL to, with reaffirmation of the freedom of religion, re-establish the dual state religions of Luthoran Hosianism and Kamism as being of special historical and cultural importance, and for other purposes. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:31:25, March 10, 2013 CET | From |  Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Staatskirchesgesetz, 3452 |
| Message | Die sehr ehrenwerte Carine Schalle (HDV, Hulsterreich): Herr Praesident, After the last election, there can be no doubt about it: there has been a backlash against the kind of progressive secularism that existed when the HDV was still the most conservative party. It gives me mixed feelings to present this bill, party-politically: on the one hand, the victory of conservatism was also a crushing defeat for our party. However, as a Luthoran Hosian, I feel we have to recognise the special role in our history and culture played by the Hosian faith, in its Luthoran denomination especially, and the Kamist faith, and to re-establish the state religions. At the same time, this may never lead to a situation where the freedom of religion is trampled in the name of zealous adherence to a single, or even a double, state faith. This bill does not represent such a situation: it represents a completely voluntary and ceremonial state religion, to emphasise that certain values have guided our society for ages and continue to be important." |
| Date | 21:32:30, March 10, 2013 CET | From | Demokratische Zentrumspartei | To | Debating the Staatskirchesgesetz, 3452 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, we ought to face the forces of far-right lunacy not by appeasing it but by facing it and defeating it. We will not support this bill. Markus Scherer MR (DZP) |
| Date | 21:55:14, March 10, 2013 CET | From | Sozialdemokratische Arbeiterpartei | To | Debating the Staatskirchesgesetz, 3452 |
| Message | Nope. |
| Date | 22:15:38, March 10, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Staatskirchesgesetz, 3452 |
| Message | OOC: Perhaps you could participate in the actual debate, Walrus? Die sehr ehrenwerte Carine Schalle (HDV, Hulsterreich): Herr Praesident, It pains me to hear the gentleman from Labsburg-Bingen describe HDV Party policy, and long-standing policy at that as far-right lunacy. This is not at all what the FVP was petitioning the Diet for: it is the sensible, moderate option of recognising in our laws the historical and cultural significance of certain faiths. Such has been the case for centuries in our country, and it has never ever been oppressive or restrictive on the freedom of religion. The dual state religions are a centripetal force for good in this country, and we will continue to championing them." |
| Date | 22:27:19, March 10, 2013 CET | From | Sozialdemokratische Arbeiterpartei | To | Debating the Staatskirchesgesetz, 3452 |
| Message | SDAP Leader Gary Ullman: "The separation of church and state is fundamental to a secular society. No religion should be endorsed by the state. We will oppose this bill vehemently." |
| Date | 02:48:32, March 11, 2013 CET | From | Unabhängige Sozialkonservative Partei | To | Debating the Staatskirchesgesetz, 3452 |
| Message | "Herr Praesident, We agree from our parliamentary colleagues in the Sozialdemokratische Arberteipartei - no state can be responsible for the religious beliefs of the populace, and as a result we oppose this bill. By all means encourage religious freedom, but do not force an official state religion upon us!" Hans Zender (AGP) - speaking on behalf of Hansjörg Pauli. |
| Date | 06:56:55, March 11, 2013 CET | From | Demokratische Zentrumspartei | To | Debating the Staatskirchesgesetz, 3452 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I'm not saying that this is far-right lunacy - far from it. But it sets a dangerous precedent that the government is allowed to interfere in matters of religion. We believe in the separation of church and state. The cultural and historical significance of certain faiths, if it is really considered significant by the people, does not require the state to prop it up. Markus Scherer MR (DZP) OOC: It's Markus Scherer, not Gunther. |
| Date | 01:32:05, March 12, 2013 CET | From | Allianz für Freiheit | To | Debating the Staatskirchesgesetz, 3452 |
| Message | Der ehrenwerte Sprecher für Bildung und Kultur, Jörg Faust MR (AF, Kuratha): "Mr. Speaker, we see no harm in having state religions, provided that they are completely voluntary and ceremonial. Furthermore, it is clear from the recent election results that the people are generally opposed to the overly progressive agenda of the previous governments. Therefore, the AF will reverse its earlier position on this issue and will endorse the reinstating of our official- and we stress voluntary- religions." OOC: Note- Faust is a Wechslerite, to his party's right on both the economic and social spectrums. He is yet another symbol of the AF recent trend to the right. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 466 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 284 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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