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Bill: Changes in taxes
Details
Submitted by[?]: Union of Real Politics (URP)
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2156
Description[?]:
| It is necessary to change tax rates. Lowering of tax should cause incrementation investment for firms and in country that where socialists rule be from luxury on so low tax |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Tax percentage of the profit made by corporations.
Old value:: 30
Current: 0
Proposed: 24
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Sales tax on luxury goods.
Old value:: 10
Current: 0
Proposed: 16
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 22:57:48, December 14, 2005 CET | From | Union of Real Politics (URP) | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | I wait for conclusions |
| Date | 02:36:12, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | Absolutely not - you are proposing that we shift the tax burden away from large corporations, which make obscene profits and have no grounds to complain, and onto ordinary working people. Even if it is limited to luxury goods, indirect sales taxes like these always affect a wide variety of ordinary Solentians, leaving such luxury goods as the sole prerogative of the rich. |
| Date | 02:49:35, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Union of Real Politics (URP) | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | Operations of parliaments are fatal regarding economy, shows on example of budget. State takes 1/3 increments it will think - potential investor seeing such rate that invest. I see that Solentian Republic measures to left. |
| Date | 03:23:16, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | Would you mind repeating that? We're not quite sure what you meant. If we understand you correctly, however, than you are saying that our incredibly moderate 30% tax is damaging to the economy, as potential investors will stay away. We find that line of thinking absolutely absurd! Of course higher taxes are often (although certainly not always) likely to scare away some investments, especially from foreign countries. That argument, however, forms the slippery slope down to a flat-tax economy with no corporate profit taxes - it is totally ridiculous and criminal, for the following reason... What use is a "strong" economy if it cannot provide a basic standard of living? Low and regressive taxes lead to the widening of inequality, limitations on social mobility, low purchasing power, high consumer debt etc. The ordinary working person does most definitely not share an investor’s view of a “good” economy. Yes, higher taxes and increased state intervention mean that profits will not be as high for the super rich. Investment may fall. But the government will have the ability to increase social spending, to ensure equity in the provision of vital services, to protect jobs and manipulate the market so as to ensure it is permanently stable and good for the average person too! We do not find the "boom and slum" economy of an unregulated free market economy, however "strong" for investors, something that Solentia should aim for. Capitalist economies have serious problems, which lead to cyclical depression and must be "ironed out" by the government. We have no time for your neo-liberal dogma. |
| Date | 03:24:19, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | *slump |
| Date | 03:39:25, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Union of Real Politics (URP) | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | We know that problem has steered economy centrally. "Equality" It does not mean "Freedom" |
| Date | 04:01:42, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | we do not support shifting the tax burden from corporations to the working class. |
| Date | 04:30:50, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | To the Unionists: You can't base a policy decision on an abstract notion - freedom for whom, to do what? There can certainly be no individual liberty, if people are not given equal access to public services and utilities, equal opportunity to education, employment and so on, equality before the law, equal protection BY the law, and the guarantee of certain minimum living conditions and human rights. If one cannot afford a bus fare, they don't have the freedom to ride the bus. It's that simple. We feel it is preposterous to respond to our very detailed explanation of the Socialist Party platform on this issue, with some random and quite absurd comment about "freedom” and "equality" being mutually exclusive. |
| Date | 05:06:00, December 15, 2005 CET | From | Union of Real Politics (URP) | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | either equality, either freedom? |
| Date | 02:12:08, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Solentian Socialist Party | To | Debating the Changes in taxes |
| Message | You see, that ISN'T AN ARGUMENT. It's just a statement, which we have already addressed. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 525 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 175 |
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