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Bill: Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical Liberal Party of Dranland
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 3483
Description[?]:
| HoS Title: Chairman HoG Title: President Legislature: Federal Legislative Council The parliament will be renamed to "Federal Legislative Council" with the HoS as Chairman. The Chairman will also be the speaker of the legislature. Instead of "Mr. Speaker" everyone will say "Mr. Chairman" or "Madame Chairperson" The HoG will be the real executive President, but the HoS and the legislature have the authority to question him and demand better performance. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 13:30:40, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | I like the proposal very much, except the name "Federal Legislative Council". Sounds too generic. What about "Supreme Legislative Senate"? I'd also like a HoG title less generic than "President", perhaps "Director" or "Director General" could do? |
| Date | 13:33:48, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | Of course, "Moot" is a name I really like too. :) |
| Date | 13:38:42, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Dranish Conservative Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | Siggon floated this idea past me as well. It's very interesting and original. What I'm not sure about is the idea of the public directly electing the man or woman who chairs sittings of the legislature. Shouldn't the person who chairs meetings of the legislature be directly appointed by and accountable to the members of the legislature itself? I can't think of any real life political system where the Speaker is elected by a popular vote of all the citizens ;). |
| Date | 13:38:58, April 12, 2013 CET | From |  Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | For HoG, what about Presidential Minister, Minister-President, or Minister-General? |
| Date | 13:41:27, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | In Sweden, the speaker chose prime minister after being elected by the riksdag. This was formerly the King's job. "Minister-President" sounds to German in my ears, though Presidental Minister could work well. How do you feel about "Grand Minister" yourself? |
| Date | 13:43:02, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | What would the Chairman need to be accountable for? He doesn't have any executive power. He's just the chief representative of the people. The people directly elect their local representatives on the local level. The people can directly elect their national representative directly as well... |
| Date | 13:50:09, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Dranish Conservative Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | Karav: The Chairman would (according to the text in the Bill description) "be the speaker of the legislature". In my view, someone who is chairing the legislature would need to be accountable to the legislature. ie. if he was biased or did an awful job, the legislature would need to be able to remove him. BTW selcrus I really do like "Moot", as I think others here do ;). The only problem is it sounds a bit too Kazulian/Scandinavian. |
| Date | 13:56:24, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Radical Liberal Party of Dranland | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | OOC: Moot is great and so as Doge and Bailiwick maybe we should implement them first |
| Date | 13:57:18, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | The legislature could call elections. With so many parties, a player can't win without endorsement. The Chairman is just someone that the people want to represent them on a national level. The individual members of the council represent individual constituencies. The government would have to be accountable to them. |
| Date | 14:33:38, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Dranish Agrarian League | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | OOC: I second Moot. Grand Minister is not bad. How about Barbarian Quelling Generalissmo for HOG?lol. |
| Date | 14:38:55, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Dranish Conservative Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | "Grand Minister"...yes, that sounds different |
| Date | 14:41:08, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | I was hoping the HoG would be more Presidential, instead of being viewed as a Prime Minister =/ |
| Date | 14:48:06, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | I guess. Well, President would work, would be unique I guess. |
| Date | 14:51:23, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Dranish Conservative Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | Another option is to make the President the Head of Government as well as the Head of State. |
| Date | 14:53:03, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | ^ But then he wouldn't be elected by the Parliament, and he couldn't be excluded from the cabinet. Cabinet formation would be slightly harder, because it would need the support of whoever holds the HoS position. |
| Date | 15:58:02, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | I've always liked the presidential system best, but I respect the sheer uniqueness of Siggon's proposal. |
| Date | 17:51:08, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Dranish Conservative Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | Perhaps we could have a "Chairman" who is not directly elected in a Head of State election. ie. mechanically change Dranland to a monarchy, just call the Head of State "Chairman of the Federal Legislative Council". The Dranland players could then OOC agree the name of the current Chairman amongst themselves. |
| Date | 19:12:16, April 12, 2013 CET | From | Beluz Democratic Karavist Party | To | Debating the Another Idea for constitution from SiggonKristov |
| Message | Some real-world countries have the HoS elected by a supermajority, and the HoG elected by a simple majority, so it could work. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 0 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 354 | |||||||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 45 |
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