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Bill: Call for early elections, December 2156
Details
Submitted by[?]: Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2157
Description[?]:
| We, the Dolgar Unionist Party, call for early elections as soon as we can reach a consensus. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The constitutional right and responsibility to propose a cabinet to the legislature.
Old value:: Each party can propose a cabinet coalition.
Current: Only the largest party can propose a cabinet.
Proposed: Only the Head of State can propose a cabinet coalition.
Article 2
Arrange early elections as soon as this bill passes.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Structure of the executive branch.
Old value:: The Head of State and Head of Government are two separate officials.
Current: The Head of State is hereditary and symbolic; the Head of Government chairs the cabinet.
Proposed: The Head of State is also Head of Government.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:07:47, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Ok, this is as simple as it gets, with no 'extra' bits to complicate matters. At the moment all being HoS gives you is a pretty little crown icon, which to be honest is a bit pointless. This bill if passed will not only make the HoS also the head of government, but shall also give the HoS the sole power to form governments.... In order to make it worthwhile, I've included it all in an early election motion so that a new election shall take place as soon as the bill is passed. This will not only give us a strong government, but a clear indication of the shape that the government should take after an election, as lets be honest, we haven't exactly got a stable political system at the moment have we? |
| Date | 17:53:16, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Well, for the past 14 years, I've been HoG, and HoS (except for 2 years, but that was only because of that 2145 glitch). So, how is that not a stable political system? |
| Date | 18:11:05, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Yea the system is pretty stable... |
| Date | 18:11:27, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Movement for White Supremacy | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Plus, this takes away the power of coalitionbuilding. |
| Date | 18:18:58, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Not really, it actually means that the HoS has to build coalitions, rather than anybody being able to propose one. It also makes HoS endorsements, well rather important, as whoever becomes HoS is going to be the person that puts together the government. In essence the system that we have at the moment has an elected, but to all intents and purposes rather pointless HoS. This is basically the system that I wanted to put in place when we switched from having the monarchy, but I did not have enough proposals to get this and the Roman flavouring through. Actually, IIRC it was (the then) DNUP that had to put the Roman flavourings on top.... So, this is basically to give the HoS a purpose, and well to make the game a bit more interesting.... |
| Date | 18:24:54, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Oh and I should probably addd that what it really does coalition-wise is to in effect force coalition negotiations to take place prior to an election, rather than as a result of an election itself. For example, say you have three rough blocks of parties. Lets say for simplicity's sake a communist block, a facist/nationalist block and a centrist block. Now each of these blcoks could choose to endorse the HoS candidate from the strongest amongst them, ideally with the other parties not putting forward a candidate (so as to maximise the votes for the agreed candidate, and thus hopefully getting into the 2nd round), or potentially, they could endorse the centrist candidate, if only to prevent the opposite extreme from getting the HoS.... With regards to what happens with coalitions. In essence the parties that endorse your HoS candidate are going to be expecting a place in government if that candidate gets elected HoS. However, chances are that you won't have an overall majority, so will need to include one or two parties from another 'block'. You can negotiate this before or after the election itself, chances are it would be after, as you don't want to includes a party in government that didn't support your HoS candidate now do you? |
| Date | 22:36:32, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Alianse Progresivitāte | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | *flushes* |
| Date | 22:56:56, December 16, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Agreed with the DUP. Nice idea. Also, if we don't like it, we can always change it. |
| Date | 23:58:07, December 16, 2005 CET | From | Dolgarian Imperial Revivalists | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Come on RPD and LPP, with your support this will pass..... |
| Date | 02:38:10, December 17, 2005 CET | From | Liberty and Prosperity Party | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Hmmmm |
| Date | 03:53:56, December 17, 2005 CET | From | Alianse Progresivitāte | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | I'd support #1, and I'm willing to go with #3, although I'd much rather see a system where the #2 party in the governing coalition (behind the HoS) generally took the HoG spot - I think that spreads the power around better - but since that's traditionally not happened often I suppose it's rough... But I really don't think we're served with having early elections again so soon after having elections. |
| Date | 03:54:56, December 17, 2005 CET | From | Alianse Progresivitāte | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | Reserving the right, of course, to change my mind if something insane comes up from CU and early elections are the only way to kill it :-P |
| Date | 04:30:22, December 17, 2005 CET | From | United Dolgaria Party | To | Debating the Call for early elections, December 2156 |
| Message | What is the problem with early elections? Anyway, I am proposing a similar bill without the early elections, and I hope that this time RPD and LPP will vote for it. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 269 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 322 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 159 |
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