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Bill: Pay Your Way Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: People's Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 2052
Description[?]:
| The Likatonian prison system is in disrepair, and the government needs to put it back together. Since most criminals are lazy and eating through our tax money, we should get them to do some work around the prison..like fixing up their cells.. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:43:28, May 12, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Pay Your Way Act |
| Message | They could take over menial jobs nearby. While this would give them no employable skills once they are out of prison, it would keep them from suffering the health problems inherent in long confinement. It would also help pay for the re-education programs we run - and those DO give them useful skills once they're out. |
| Date | 11:40:24, May 12, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Pay Your Way Act |
| Message | I like the sound of this bill. |
| Date | 16:27:29, May 13, 2005 CET | From | To | Debating the Pay Your Way Act |
| Message | We oppose this as enforced labour. We see this as morally akin to slavery. |
| Date | 20:22:44, May 13, 2005 CET | From | National Centrist Party | To | Debating the Pay Your Way Act |
| Message | Unlike slavery, these people will have to commit some kind of act to bring about this result. Assuming the person committing the crime is in full possession of their faculty, they will have known before they did the crime what the result would be if they were caught. Furthermore, unlike slavery we'll not be housing them in shacks and working them to death, we won't be beating them constantly, and we'll be feeding them heartily. They'll do work of the same difficulty as many people outside the prison do for the same rewards that most people do work for - a safe place to sleep and good food to eat. |
| Date | 05:40:35, May 14, 2005 CET | From | Right Wing Liberals Party | To | Debating the Pay Your Way Act |
| Message | yes |
| Date | 12:34:13, May 14, 2005 CET | From | People's Party | To | Debating the Pay Your Way Act |
| Message | I'm bringing this to a vote... |
| Date | 12:50:28, May 14, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Pay Your Way Act |
| Message | but you cant force people to work without using violence. and violence by the state is not to be tolerated under any circumstances. |
| Date | 19:13:12, May 14, 2005 CET | From | People's Party | To | Debating the Pay Your Way Act |
| Message | You can't collect taxes without violence either ...does that mean we should stop collecting them? |
| Date | 19:58:52, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Liberal Party for Equality | To | Debating the Pay Your Way Act |
| Message | no, but you can prosecute tax offenders and put them in jail. if they refuse to come quietly a little restraining force may have to be used, but that is not the same as the prolonged and continual violence that would be necessary to force people to work. besides, forced labour goes against basic human rights. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 116 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 15 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 33 |
| Random fact: References to prominent real-life persons are not allowed. This includes references to philosophies featuring the name of a real-life person (eg. "Marxism", "Thatcherism", "Keynesianism"). |
| Random quote: "The experience of ages has shown that a man who works on the land is purer, nobler, higher, and more moral... Agriculture should be at the basis of everything." - Mikuláš Gogolský, former Deltarian writer |