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Bill: pending
Details
Submitted by[?]: Communist Party of Lodamun
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3517
Description[?]:
| pending |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy on the legality of abortions
Old value:: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Current: Abortion is allowed during the entire course of the pregnancy.
Proposed: Abortion is allowed during the first trimester.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy on subsidising contraception.
Old value:: The government does not supply free or discounted contraceptives.
Current: The government offers free contraceptives in pharmacies and public toilets.
Proposed: The government offers free contraceptives in pharmacies and public toilets.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The recreational drug policy.
Old value:: There are no laws regulating what citizens can put into their bodies.
Current: The use of cannabis is legal.
Proposed: All naturally occurring drugs are legal.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:36:29, July 18, 2013 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the pending |
| Message | Article 1 just limits a woman's right to abortion. Article 2 is a waste of money. They should buy their own contraceptives. Article 3 is understandable, though we do not believe the state should regulate what citizens can put into their bodies. This receives a negative vote from the LNP. -- Edwin Fertig, President |
| Date | 02:51:00, July 18, 2013 CET | From | Communist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the pending |
| Message | Article 1 ignores the unborn child right to life. Studies have shown that it is after the first trimester the fetus can respond to stimuli such as pain. Why should a by now fully developed human being experience this. Secondly, if a woman can on the last day of pregnancy terminate it it can foster a sense of inhumanity and disregard for homo sapien life. And realistically,if a woman was contemplating getting an abortion I believe 3 trimesters would have been more than enough time to come to a decision. We believe that the Prince should amend Article 2 as a preventative measure. The party believes that this will stop the spread of STD's an unwanted pregnancies even though we do not have an epidemic. But better safe than sorry. And lastly, as leftists we firmly believe in freedom of choice however there are times when this right must be overridden for the sake of the masses. Synthetic drug users suffer a slurry of psychological and biological problems, problems that can ultimately affect the realm negativity and I know even the LNP does not want the burden of a drug epidemic. Therefore we believe that the legislation of what type of drug is legal is to the benefit of all. |
| Date | 03:07:19, July 18, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the pending |
| Message | Unborn child's right to life? You are not a true Communist. Also, our constitution gives rights to citizens; an unborn child isn't a citizen. My main concern is that if a woman wants an abortion, she is unfit to be a mother in the first place. Contraceptives aren't focused on STDs. Contraceptives are focused on stopping conception, hence the name "Contraception" - many contraceptives don't do anything about STDs. There is no contraceptive that protects against all STDs. Most don't protect against any STDs at all. Condoms protect against STDs than involve contact of blood or certain mucus, but they don't fully protect against herpes. Wouldn't it be smarter to tax contraceptives as a measure of how much casual sex the common people are having? Those taxes could be directed to the Health & Social Services Ministry, particularly in the area of STDs or any sex-related medical concerns. You should note that we said "Article 3 is understandable." -- Edwin Fertig, President |
| Date | 03:18:28, July 18, 2013 CET | From | Communist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the pending |
| Message | The unborn child has the potential to become a sentient being and a productive citizen of Lodamun. Though we respect the woman's choice whether or not to bear a child we do not believe that abortions should be done willy nilly. Even more so while this potential human being is capable of feeling pain. And not all women who opt for abortions are incapable of being good mothers, the pregnancy might be accidental and she doesn't want to carry the child. Whether it is preventing STD's or pregnancy contraceptives are doing there job. And taxing contraceptives would only discourage people from purchasing them and thus may spike the number of STD's/ unwanted pregnancies. |
| Date | 03:26:58, July 18, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the pending |
| Message | You're missing the point we made about "unfit to be a mother" - the point is that someone who wants and abortion will be unfit to be a mother to that child. The thought will always exist, in the back of her head, that she never wanted the child. She'll remember it every time the child does anything to upset her, and she may communicate the thought to the child and devastate his/her life. If a woman doesn't want a child, she'd be unfit to be a mother to that child. You rode the horse of STD prevention, in defense of Article 2. Keep a consistent argument. Contraceptives don't prevent STDs. Contraceptives, like most other goods, are already taxed. What we are proposing is to direct the taxes to STD treatment and prevention. Contraceptives, themselves, don't have anything to do with STDs. We still see no reason to spend money to give them out freely. They'd be wasted. People would forget they had some, and just get more for free. They wouldn't know the value of them, and we'd be wasting a lot of money that can be directed elsewhere. You want to take care of unwanted pregnancies? Don't limit a woman's right to abortion. You want to prevent STDs? Contraceptives don't do that. Edwin Fertig, President |
| Date | 03:56:07, July 18, 2013 CET | From | Communist Party of Lodamun | To | Debating the pending |
| Message | By saying that a woman can get an abortion at any time during the pregnancy is legislating carelessness. vI repeat, a trimester is 0-12 weeks, that 3 months, a third of the way if it is a full term pregnancy. That is more than enough time to come to a decision whether or not to carry the child. Terminating it any time after is nothing but murder. And if a woman is "unfit to be a mother" she can always give the child up for adoption after that. And where do you get your information as it relates to Article 2? Condoms prevent against a slurry of STD's such as HIV (the virus that causes AIDS), chlamydia, genital herpes, genital warts, gonorrhea, hepatitis B, and syphilis just to name a few which happen to be among the most dangerous.Sure some might slight this service but it must be put up for the people who won't. |
| Date | 04:15:45, July 18, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the pending |
| Message | An adopted child won't feel the same comforts as one raised by his/her birth parents. We did say that "Condoms protect against STDs than involve contact of blood or certain mucus, but they don't fully protect against herpes" and there are other diseases which they don't protect against. STD prevention is not the same as birth control. Condoms aren't the only types of contraceptives, and the bill is talking about birth control, not STD prevention. If you want to propose measures to address STDs, propose that, but this bill is talking about birth control. If your party is so interested in free contraceptives, why doesn't it donate money to subsidize the cost? Why should it be taking everyone's money, including those who disagree with contraception, to provide free contraceptives for people to waste them? This is also why we don't have government-funded abortions (except in the case of emergencies). -- Edwin Fertig, President |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||
| yes | Total Seats: 66 | ||
| no | Total Seats: 234 | ||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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