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Bill: Religion and State Act 3519
Details
Submitted by[?]: United Struggle for Blacks in Lodamun
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: June 3520
Description[?]:
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are required to obtain government approval before promoting themselves or advertising in any manner.
Current: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Proposed: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The governments stance on religious schools.
Old value:: All schools are required to be religious in nature.
Current: Only recognised religions may set up religious schools, with no regulations.
Proposed: Only recognised religions may set up religious schools, with no regulations.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Article 6
Proposal[?] to change Government policy concerning religions.
Old value:: There is an official state religion, and membership is mandatory.
Current: There is no government policy concerning a state religion.
Proposed: There is an official state religion, but membership is completely voluntary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:15:45, July 24, 2013 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religion and State Act 3519 |
| Message | How can the Green Party support Article 5? Article 3 only promotes sectarianism and religious elitism. -- Edwin Fertig, LNP Leader |
| Date | 04:38:07, July 24, 2013 CET | From | Lodamese Green Party | To | Debating the Religion and State Act 3519 |
| Message | Certain articles outweigh the others. William Johnson President of Lodamun Chairman of the Lodamese Green Party |
| Date | 04:46:43, July 24, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religion and State Act 3519 |
| Message | The bill goes in the general direction of leaving religion to private elitists, instead of keeping it in the hands of the collective, who we represent when being elected. Edwin Fertig, LNP Leader |
| Date | 11:41:50, July 24, 2013 CET | From | United Struggle for Blacks in Lodamun | To | Debating the Religion and State Act 3519 |
| Message | On the whole this bill is a move towards taking the state out of religious affairs which is something that has been accepted in any other countries. Religion should be a private matter, not a state matter. Victor Steele, LFP Leader |
| Date | 14:50:05, July 24, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religion and State Act 3519 |
| Message | Actually, what other countries try to do is to take religion out of state affairs, which Articles 5 and 6 go against, especially since it won't be the state appointing ministers anymore. What's the point of the religion, that the LNP founded, being an official state religion if the state doesn't appoint the ministers? You're just messing up the religion. You might as well propose a bill to make no official religion at all, unless you intend to change the religion to something else (but stop messing up the one we founded). -- Edwin Fertig, LNP Leader |
| Date | 15:47:04, July 24, 2013 CET | From | United Struggle for Blacks in Lodamun | To | Debating the Religion and State Act 3519 |
| Message | While Article 5 could be considered to be religious the key word is 'encouraged', it doesn't make prayers in schools compulsory. Article 6 is a step forward as the current law is that 'membership is mandatory', we support all religions and freedom of religion. Victor Steele, LFP Leader OOC: What is the state religion? I read a few old bills and the Wiki and read that Lodamun's biggest religions are Hosianism and Pantheism. I think this is why Lodamun needs some sort of cultural protocol, or if you don't want to set anything into stone, at least some summary of the ethnic and religious composition of the country. |
| Date | 03:35:13, July 25, 2013 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religion and State Act 3519 |
| Message | Article 6 contradicts Article 1. If Lodamese Nationalism is to remain the official religion, what is the point of removing the state's hand in it? It was founded as a religion to promote the glory of the state. Why not abolish the official religion overall, or propose that the official religion be changed to something else? Why corrupt Lodamese Nationalism? -- Edwin Fertig, LNP Leader ----- OOC: Lodamun's official state religion is Lodamese Nationalism, as stated in a recently passed bill. Reading outdated wiki pages doesn't count as checking what the official state religion is. You read OLD bills, and you read the wiki which hasn't been updated in in-game decades (if not centuries). This bill will mean that the current religion involves prayer (which it doesn't, since it rejects the idea of a "God'). http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=386761 |
| Date | 10:35:11, July 25, 2013 CET | From | United Struggle for Blacks in Lodamun | To | Debating the Religion and State Act 3519 |
| Message | OOC: I repeat, for at least the third time: put that bill on the nation page so its easy to find rather than moaning. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 206 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 94 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
| Random fact: Cultural Protocol bills must provide a real-life equivalent or short description for the ethnic groups, languages and religions contained in them, such that it would be easy for an unfamiliar player to understand (e.g. "Dundorfian = German"). Where appropriate, they should also provide guidance to players on where to find help with translations and character names. This might include, for example, links to Google Translate, Behind the Name's Random Name Generator and Fantasy Name Generators. |
| Random quote: “Human rights means doing whatever the fuck you want” - Benji Benandez, former Dranian politician |