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Bill: OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hakla'ut VePituah
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 3933
Description[?]:
| 1. Does anyone object to me creating a "Beiteynu" page on the Wiki? Beiteynu hasn't had one Wiki page that has documented all its history etc., for some reason players here instead opted to make a new page for Beiteynu whenever the title of the state changed. For example, there is a "Socialist Republic of Beiteynu" page, a "Corporate Republic of Beiteynu" page, a "Commonwealth of Beiteynu and Yishelem" page, a "Federal Democratic Socialist Republic of Beiteynu", and a "Medinat Yeudi Hadash haBeiteynu" page. The country's history is all over the place. I've worked on Luthori's Wiki and Lodamun's Wiki, for example, and I can't explain how much easier it is having just one page. So do I have permission to create a "Beiteynu" page where I can attempt to put all the information about Beiteynu into one place? 2. Yeudism is massively underdeveloped, look at how little information there is about it: http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Yeudism. I'm not blaming anyone here for it but considering Beiteynu is the game's version of Israel - a Jewish homeland - I think we have a duty to develop the Yeudism page too. Does anyone here know anything about Judaism, or is willing to learn about Judaism in order to develop the Yeudism page? 3. This leads me onto my third issue: real-life references. There's now a thread in the Moderation section of the forum where people can report nations for using real-life references. I think these cases would actually result in Moderation asking us to change them if they were reported: - "Yisrael" (in the motto - "Yisrael" means "Israel", Israel is a real-life country that does not exist in Particracyland) - "Zion" (in the HOS' title, "Zion" is a reference to Jerusalem and Jerusalem doesn't exist in Particracyland) - "Jewish Faith" (in the HOS' title, Judaism doesn't exist in Particracyland, Yeudism would be the correct term) - "David and Solomon" (in the HOS' title, again, I don't think references to real-life aspects of real-life religions is allowed on here) - "Torah" (in the anthem, again, I don't think references to real-life aspects of real-life religions is allowed on here) - "Zionist" (in the anthem, again, I don't think references to real-life aspects of real-life religions is allowed on here) - "Gospel" (in the anthem, again, I don't think references to real-life aspects of real-life religions is allowed on here) - "Christ" (in the anthem, again, I don't think references to real-life aspects of real-life religions is allowed on here) - "Mosque" (in the anthem, again, I don't think references to real-life aspects of real-life religions is allowed on here) - "Mohamed" (in the anthem, again, I don't think references to real-life aspects of real-life religions is allowed on here) I think it would be quite easy to make up new names for these real-life names. For example, "Zion" could be changed to "Siyyon" meaning "castle" which links to the word "Zion". Considering I've only been here a few days I do feel like I'm being a bit nasty and a bit of an arsehole making such criticisms and requesting such changes. I hope you're not offended, totally2012. It's just that I feel Beiteynu is too much of an important country to be so underdeveloped when it comes to its Wiki page and its religion. I'm sure you'll feel the same. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:40:30, September 01, 2013 CET | From | Brit Yeudish | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | OOC: I second all of these points, Jack. I really like "Siyyon" as a substitute for "Zion" btw :). The national anthem is somewhat curious. I've got a feeling it was introduced by a player roleplaying a Christian Zionist party, though I could be wrong. I'd be interested in doing some work on Yeudism. We might benefit from opening up a Yeudism thread on the forum, to get more input. We might get some good ideas. Also, bear in mind there are Yeudis across Terra, so Yeudism doesn't just affect Beiteynu. Yeudism also intersects at points with Hosianism (Christianity) & Queranzariah (Islam) so there might be a few issues to smooth over in that regard. |
| Date | 07:07:14, September 01, 2013 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | OOC: The movement for the return to Beiteynu is Biraism (Our Zionism) So Bira is our Zion. If you look through the wiki you will find reference to it. David and Solomon are also both Beiteynese Monarchs, both in the Religous sense and the past HoS sense. I came up with the Anthem. My old account was banned for suspected multi before. I have been here for the last RL 6 years on and off. Yeduis are given automatic Beiteynese citizenship through laws similar to Israel |
| Date | 07:14:43, September 01, 2013 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | I am also working to convert to Judaism. So I can help Jewishify our nation. |
| Date | 14:44:36, September 01, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | - I think you two will be better off working on Yeudism then. Religion isn't an interest of mine, or one of my strong-points. - Thanks for letting me know what our version of "Zionism" is, totally2012. I will definitely look to add this onto Beiteynu's Wiki page. - Even though "David and Solomon" were head of state in the past, I still think that references to them will still be against the game's rules (especially as we're the game's equivalent of Israel). However, the game doesn't seem to have any Moderators right now, sadly, so I don't have anyone to ask about that right now. - I like the "Yeduis are given automatic Beiteynese citizenship through laws similar to Israel" law, if that is the case If I have permission then I will start working on Beiteynu's Wiki page shortly! :) |
| Date | 02:07:02, September 02, 2013 CET | From | Brit Yeudish | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Go for it with the wiki, Jack :). |
| Date | 07:45:41, September 02, 2013 CET | From | Miflega Libralim | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Yeah Jack, do go for it. I was also wondering if we could increase the percentages of Yeudis and followers of Yeudism as I feel this would enhance the Yeudish character of the nation. Perhaps 60 or 67% Yeudis rather than the current 52%? |
| Date | 19:28:09, September 02, 2013 CET | From | Brit Yeudish | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | I would also be keen to increase the Yeudi % of the population. Introducing new Cultural Protocols should probably come after we've done a bit of work on Yeudism, though, because we need to sort out the different denomination of Yeudism. |
| Date | 21:11:37, September 02, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | I actually think Yeudis should make-up at least 80% of the population, but obviously we couldn't have such a rise straight away. |
| Date | 05:37:52, September 04, 2013 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | I agree with that notion. 80% is a good number. But I think the numbers behind the Ethnic stats are correct. Instead of: Jews it could be Yeduis of Beiteynian Decent (White to Arab color) Whites could be Non Yeduis Blacks can be Yeduis of Squibblean Decent When I was in full control of Beiteynu, a while back, I came up with this idea for classes in Beiteynu. I had the royal family use French as the offical language of foreign affairs (As a stab at Luthori, who identifies with English). Hardcore Monarchists and the upper class would use French as a second language and identify with French culture. They lived in cities and mostly in Fuskila, where Ir Melechim is. (Ir Melechim is the city where the King has direct control.) English was the language of the Luthoris and the Jews that lived in the Commonwealth of Yishalem (Which was a Luthori Colony that took up all of Endlid) Supporters of Luthori, Hosnians, and Endlid citizens would learn English at home and Idenify with Luthori. They were against the Monarchy. Pnteks spoke Pntek and lived in small cites in Endlid HaPatriotim (I made up the name and speak no hebrew. lol) were people who wen't educated and didn't learn French in school nor English at home. They only spoke Hebrew. They were in different to the Monarchy. Sadly this system never really caught on. It would be great for the Wiki though. |
| Date | 11:21:59, September 04, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Yes, those names for ethnic groups seem good to me. Although "of Beiteynian Decent" may not be necessary as there are Yeudis from all around the world who are likely to have settled in Beiteynu. Personally, I'm not sure about having a French group. However, I know Luthori has influenced this country so its possible there may have been Aldurians (usually part of the Luthorian Empire) who do speak French so maybe some people speaking French isn't too unlikely. The rest seem good. I will add it to the Wiki when I start. However, if "HaPatriotim" does not make sense, how about "HaBeiteinu" instead? |
| Date | 03:24:18, September 05, 2013 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | I think that sounds great. |
| Date | 13:58:23, September 05, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Okay :) I keep sitting here doing nothing all day apart from spending ridiculous amounts of money on stuff for uni, I will start working on it soon! |
| Date | 18:53:10, September 05, 2013 CET | From | Brit Yeudish | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Can you do any course units in Israeli politics, Jack? That might be helpful for our Beiteynu purposes! :) |
| Date | 19:09:26, September 05, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Haha. There aren't any modules in my course that cover Israeli politics (just US politics, you know how it is). |
| Date | 16:17:34, September 07, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | I've started on the basics: the info box on the right-hand side, started the basic info above the contents box, created the right structure and right headings, also started work on the etymology section (although that is pretty straightforward). http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Beiteynu Slowly put surely we'll get there! |
| Date | 18:35:32, September 07, 2013 CET | From | Brit Yeudish | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Well done, Jack! You are better at using wiki than me; I tend to struggle to get it to do what I want :/. Is our flag OK, do you think? It's not the same as the Israeli flag, but it does look rather similar to it. Also, as part of the religious retcon, do we need to change the traditional symbol of Yeudism (currently the Jewish Star of David)? |
| Date | 21:35:39, September 07, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Thanks! I have a question, what type of government system do we have in Beiteynu? We have a monarch, but one that is represented by an elected official, and a head of government. I have no idea what to call it. Also, I asked Siggon how our economy ranks compared to others. Turns out that Beiteynu is the 41st richest in the world when measured in LOD and our GDP per capita is 42nd in the world when measured in LOD. Considering there are 50-something nations that means we're quite a poor country so we need to keep this in mind. Israel, on the other hand, has quite a wealthy, competitive, and secure economy. I think the flag is okay, personally. I've even designed a communist flag for Beiteynu for when I seize power ;) and that even includes the star of David. Queranzariah (correct spelling?) uses the moon and star and Hosianism uses the cross. :P |
| Date | 00:49:25, September 08, 2013 CET | From | Brit Yeudish | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Yes, it will be interesting roleplaying Beiteynu as a poorer nation. That makes us rather different to RL Israel. LOL your Yeudish commie flag sounds fun! ;) As for our system of government, at the moment we have a monarchy system (albeit one which is rather peculiar, as you observe!).. Personally I would favour making Beiteynu some kind of Yeudish Republic. |
| Date | 01:35:37, September 08, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | Here is what Beiteynu's flag would be if my party ever achieved a super-majority: http://oi41.tinypic.com/33c8bjd.jpg I'd like a republic too, although it'd have to be a joint head of state (that would also be head of government) - an appointed Chief Rabbi and an elected President. ;) |
| Date | 02:50:49, September 08, 2013 CET | From | Brit Yeudish | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | I love your flag, Jack. Very distinctive! :) I like your idea for a kind of dual Head-of-Stateship shared by a President and a religious figure. That would be quite novel. It reminds me a little of Andorra, a tiny little country I once visited. Its joint heads of state are the President of France and the Bishop of Urgell!!! http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=5524 As promised, a thread on the forum about Yeudism. |
| Date | 13:09:50, September 08, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | I think a dual head of state makes sense considering the religious nature of Beiteynu and how important Yeudism is. Hopefully someone replies to the thread! :) |
| Date | 15:29:30, September 18, 2013 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | I still want to continue having the Monarchy as an institution in Beiteynian culture. It is one of the difining parts of my party. I also think it provides tons of RP chances. |
| Date | 16:49:38, September 18, 2013 CET | From | Hakla'ut VePituah | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | The Beiteynuese monarchy hasn't be RPed for ages, if at all. And, if anything, if we have a monarchy it should be the Luthorian monarchy considering they are the former colonial power in Beiteynu. In comparison, a dual head of state would provide us with the opportunity to RP two characters. |
| Date | 20:04:56, September 18, 2013 CET | From | Brit Yeudish | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | How long has the current monarch been on the throne? Sooner or later, presumably, he'll have to die and be replaced by his successor. |
| Date | 21:09:42, September 21, 2013 CET | From | Bloc Am Chazak, Am Yedui, Am Libre | To | Debating the OOC: Grand Wiki Project, Yeudism, and Real-Life References |
| Message | It has been a while that the current monarch as been in power. But the Monarchy has been in power for at least 200 years With my current party and my former Christian Zionist Party. RP has been made with the Monarchy for a while and members of the Royal Party have participated in all recent diplomatic affairs. |
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