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Bill: GSS Marcus
Details
Submitted by[?]: Traxian Imperial Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: October 2160
Description[?]:
| This party wishes to propose that we immediately start research and construction of the first Gaduri Space Station (GSS). The prime mission will be military, to co-ordinate all the satellites now in orbit and to have a safe haven for our military personel of importance. It will itself be equipped with state ot the art weapons for defence and solidify our position in space. In the future it can be expanded for reseach puroposes allow construction of the space elevator and make trips to the moon and other planets more cost effective. We believe we have the technology and think this is a step forward for our great nation. As such we wish to propose it be named Marcus after our former leader who was one of the first deaths in this upcoming conflict, and saw space as a way to expand our people and culture. Tiberius Joule Leader of the Trax Party |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 11:07:54, December 23, 2005 CET | From | Traxian Imperial Party | To | Debating the GSS Marcus |
| Message | To get the military effectiveness implemented asap we will forgo debate. |
| Date | 21:58:49, December 23, 2005 CET | From | Totalitarian Party | To | Debating the GSS Marcus |
| Message | The Totalitarian Party feels decisions on such matters should be left to the S&T and Defence Ministers. Politicians are not in positions to know the exact benefits, costs and disadvantages of such things. It is better we let the experts plan, decide, and, when they are ready, present their plan to the Senate for review. Regarding this proposal, all this is is a vague proposal for building a space station, which will be a haven for certain military personnel. If an attack is made on the station, where do our top officers run to? All an enemy has to do is launch a shuttle and have it crash into the station, and then we are without our military personnel of importance. We feel it is much more sensible to have them located somewhere safe, rather than an experimental space station. What weapons do you propose we mount on it? Giant lasers? We have already launched Project: God's Hand. Our space weapons are quite possibly the most advanced weapons possessed by any nation. |
| Date | 07:12:22, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Nationalist Party of Gaduridos | To | Debating the GSS Marcus |
| Message | We agree... but we do not consent to it being used for the 'safety', of military officers, for reasons given by the Totalitarian party. |
| Date | 10:30:24, December 24, 2005 CET | From | National Fascisti | To | Debating the GSS Marcus |
| Message | While there are some benefits to having a space station, and would possibly consider such a project, we entirely disagree with the details of this proposal. A space station is not particularly required to coordinate our satellites in orbit, and as outlined above, using it as 'safe haven' for important military personnel is not a good idea. Additionally, a space elevator is very far off. Apart from the logistics of having to build one, it would be extraordinarily difficult to protect. With the current state of the world, we cannot see a space elevator operating free from enemy attack for a very long time. Lastly, we do not see why Marcus Trax should have the honour of the space station being named after him. Edward Wong Hau Pepelu Tivrusky IV Minister of Science and Technology |
| Date | 10:36:36, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Nationalist Party of Gaduridos | To | Debating the GSS Marcus |
| Message | Hmmm, in light of new evidence, we will change our vote. |
| Date | 11:10:54, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Traxian Imperial Party | To | Debating the GSS Marcus |
| Message | All details are changeable, the nature of the use of the station and the name. If Marucs is not apt then how about Marius I Also even though a space elevator is far off if we START the project now of a space station when it comes to make a SE it will make the task easier. Also military personel don't have to be stationed there it was just a suggestion. Defence again will be done by conventional means and having an orbital command deck for the missiles will be better protected than a ground based one, as there is a communication lag from earth to space and it will be easier to destroy a bunker than a space station with conventional weapons. As such if this bill fails we feel that one day the possibilities it holds should be re-examined. |
| Date | 12:30:52, December 24, 2005 CET | From | Nationalist Party of Gaduridos | To | Debating the GSS Marcus |
| Message | OOC: Name isn't a problem, Marcus is great. Having an abundance of stuff called Marius would probably end up being really irritating |
| Date | 06:23:56, December 25, 2005 CET | From | Totalitarian Party | To | Debating the GSS Marcus |
| Message | The possibilities will be re-examined, but not by this legislature. The Science & Technology Ministry knows what it is doing. It does not need Senators suggesting ideas. Concerning naming, perhaps a consistent naming scheme needs to developed before we commit to any names. One that won't quickly leave us without names. |
| Date | 16:44:38, December 28, 2005 CET | From | Progressive Imperial Party | To | Debating the GSS Marcus |
| Message | We would propose that the ministries and their respective leaders be allowed to run their own ministries. OOC: As has been pointed out in the forums (I would link it, but I'm constrained timewise) we actually have yet to send a man into space- a space station seems a bit of a jump, don't you think? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 161 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 261 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 19 |
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