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Bill: OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE)
Details
Submitted by[?]: Knstatak Grundnyr Prta
Status[?]: debate
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Description[?]:
| Since the current version of the Jelbic dictionary (http://www.idioc.co.uk/Jelbic-0.1.0.txt) has a small number of names and does not include surnames, Jelbania now uses a more elaborate naming system. In keeping with the Jelbek steppe culture, Jelbek now uses a combination of patronymics and clan names instead of family names. The name list has also been expanded by adding Jelbekized versions of Christian or Islamic names, to give the language a more authentic feel. So the naming system work as follows: <First Name> <Father's First Name + -srmko (if male) or -drsme (if female)> <Clan Name>. For example, a full Jelbek name under this system would be Kezkai Intrsmorsrmko Jeztri (male) or Jlemai Intrsmordrsme Jeztri (female). When referring to a person, except for the most formal settings (such as for members of a cabinet) or when it is necessary to avoid ambiguity, it is common to drop the patronymic and just use the First Name and Clan Name. In cases where the father is not known, a matronymic is used instead of a patronymic. Since clans don't necessarily imply kinship, I doubt they would fall under the rules of character transfer and character use, so the following clan names can be used by anyone. Clan names: Akedkáhe Bozujigumo Frjsrl Grakhldkai Grnohekam Heijiwrn Jezhrjebrnfi Jezkrzi Jeztri Kengljy Kez'i Knzsrlji Megàmotojokai Mrthotrjrzajad Nubaékndz Obmé Ornklarz Salyzr Shanyshkly Suadjakai Vrn Wékj Wkal'tijokai Baokndz Baokrt Hizahnd Hyeon Jezklarz Jrkanyr Jrkaol'itá Idrgrsho Kahzknz Kajsjitaj Klunehnd Kshklarz Knzmazrk Nrktahyeon Nrlzikrt Nubajrka Pshamazrk Temrtamnr Vrnkrt http://particracy.wikia.com/wiki/Jelbek_Clans Traditional Jelbek first names (created by IdioC): Azi (m/f) = Vibrant Genzi = (m/f) = Energetic Grzkai (m) = Winner Grzmai (f) = Winner Grzoziklune (m/f) = Growing Moon Jezklune (m/f) = Large Moon Heijinoju (m/f) = Good Year Heijkai (m) = Supporter Heijmai (f) = Supporter Hldjezesti (m/f) = Grand Life Intrsmor (m/f) = Intelligent Hrne (f) = Flower Jeztri (m/f) = Hawk Jlekai (m) = Thinker Jlemai (f) = Thinker Kezkai (m) = Strengthener Kezmai (f) = Strengthener Klune (m/f) = Moon Krsyijkai (m) = Unifier Krsyijmai (f) = Unifier Mrjkai (m) = Protector Mrjmai (f) = Protector Nrljkai (m) = Illuminator Nrljmai (f) = Illuminator Sagzi (m/f) = Talkative Shlajkai (m) = Fighter Shlajmai (f) = Fighter Suadjasrl (m/f) = New Soul Tri (m/f) = Bird Trisrl (m/f) = Bird Soul Wrntukai (m) = Leader Wrntumai (f) = Leader Other traditional Jelbic first names: Aldrkai (m) Aldrmai (f) Bhtjar (m) Mandkh (f) Merlkai (m) Merlmai (f) Temrkai (m) Temrmai (f) Hosian (Christian) first names: Alexander= Eksandr Anastasia = Nasts Andrew = Andrj Anne = Hán Anthony = Amfn Benjamin = Bunjamín Charles = Krly Christian = Hrsto Christine = Hrstín Christopher = Hrstfer Constantine = Knstín Daniel = Daníl David = Dwít Elijah = Ílja Elisabeth = Ershébef Gabriel = Jebr George = Jeiri Helen = Jlén Hosianne (PT specific name) = Hzíamai Hosianus (PT specific name) = Hzíakai Jane = Jehn Jasmine = Jesmín Jesus/Joshua = Isa John = Juhn Joseph = Jusuv Lazar = Lazr Lucie = Lukz Luke = Luk Mary = Mri Mathew = Mfé Michael = Míhalj Noah = Noh Philip = Flíp Peter = Petr Paul = Pawl Pauline = Pawlín Samuel = Shmíl Samson = Samshn Theodore = Féodr Zachary = Zahr Ahmadi (Muslim) first names: Abbas = Ebs Abdullah = Abdlá Abdulmajid = Abdlmecid Abdulrahman = Abdlrahm Adam = Emed Ahmad = Ám'ád Aiysha = Ajisha Ali = Alí Aziz = Ezís Barak = Bák Fatima = Vatím Hala = Hle Hamza = Hemze Hassan = Hesn Hussein = Husn Ja'far = Cavr Jamal = Caml Jana = Jehn Khalid = Halíd Layan (f) = Lén Leen (f) = Lín Malak (f) = Melk Maryam = Mri Mohamed = Mhmet Mubarak = Mubák Mustafa = Mustav Omar = Omr Rashid = Reshd Salma = Selm Sarah = Sará Suleiman = Slejman Yara = Jere Yasin = Jasn Yasmin = Jesmín Yazid = Jazd Yusuf = Jusuv |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 18:45:21, November 15, 2013 CET | From |  Sons of Steppe/Jeztaghék Srmko | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | I like it. Is it possible to get translation for naughty beaver as a clan name? That is how Opaki Dabar translates from Croatian.. :) |
| Date | 19:04:09, November 15, 2013 CET | From | Knstatak Grundnyr Prta | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | Hmmm, for beaver I would suggest "kndz" from Arabic qundus and Turkish kunduz. For "naughty", one could use "Nubaé", from "nuba" = zero (so basically "naught"-ish, the same logic as for the English word). So naughty beaver would be Nubaékndz, as the clan name. |
| Date | 21:57:02, November 15, 2013 CET | From | Sons of Steppe/Jeztaghék Srmko | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | Well done on names and clan names, I had quite a lof of difficulties to come up with Jelbek names for my Brmek party. |
| Date | 22:09:23, November 15, 2013 CET | From | Knstatak Grundnyr Prta | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | Thanks! I will continue to add new clan names and first names. If you (or anyone else) has any suggestions, feel free to mention them. |
| Date | 05:29:21, November 16, 2013 CET | From | Krt trzy Jeztri | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | Very good stuff! |
| Date | 17:41:15, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | Sorry to butt in, but aren't Christian and derivatives of it rather odd as Hosian names? I invented the replacement names "Hosianus" and "Hosianne" for these. Perhaps you could adapt these two in the Jelbic language as well, instead of "Christian" and "Christine"? |
| Date | 18:01:31, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Knstatak Grundnyr Prta | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | I see your point, and it does make sense, but the names Christian and Christine are unlikely to be replaced by other names by the vast majority of players. With the Hosian names I attempted to introduce an air of familiarity in an otherwise alien-sounding language. I can introduce Jelbek versions of "Hosianus" and "Hosianne" though. |
| Date | 21:11:23, January 31, 2014 CET | From | Golden Keshik/Grno Keshik | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | for standard Pntek names I suggest using Jelbicised Hosian names. for Standard Pntek surnames I suggest adding -srimko (son) and -drisme (daughter) to Hosian names, or optionally to traditional Jelbek names. for standard Nrktek names I suggest using either Pntek ones, or traditional Jelbek names. for standard Nrktek surnames I suggest poethic combination of two Jelbek language words, i.e. in my cabinet I used Srwefluz - beer river Krnatrk - time tree Ornataghe - orange fields Frjdnu - fire dog |
| Date | 20:23:36, March 17, 2014 CET | From | Horde Government | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | For Brmek muslims I suggest following names/surnames structure. Name = <Ahmadi Jelbek first name> Surname = <Ahmadi Jelbek first name> + "-ek" (which is possessive particle). For example: Ali Mhetek Reshd Omrek Mustav Mustavek Mubak Amadek |
| Date | 18:35:15, February 22, 2015 CET | From | Knstatak Grundnyr Prta | To | Debating the OOC: Jelbek Names (DO NOT DELETE) |
| Message | Brmek counterpart of this bill: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=429301 |
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