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Bill: Call for early elections, January 3578
Details
Submitted by[?]: Phillipsian Party of Dranland
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill requests an early election. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline. Elections will be held immediately if the bill passes.
Voting deadline: September 3578
Description[?]:
| With the banning of the DUM, we should hold elections and establish a newer, cleaner legitimate government. -Arnold Katz, Leader of the Phillipsian Party |
Proposals
Article 1
Arrange early elections as soon as this bill passes.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:07:59, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Dranland has already had election, and already has new, clean and legitimate government - namely, mine. Taoiseach Aled Pritchard MP |
| Date | 00:28:17, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Drania Cívica 🏴 시민당 | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The last election produced no legitimate results, it was fraudulent and there is no way to determine which party truly is the largest party, and therefore in the position to make a claim about being legitimate. It is clear that Mr. Pritchard is quite similar to his new libertarian friends, he is self-centered and intent upon one thing: personal power and prestige. You are a disgrace to this nation. Reunification occurred out of hope for a new path forward, but it seems that little has changed, even among parties that struggled under the junta. Oh Seung-ki, MP Member for Elbian |
| Date | 00:36:18, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Drania Cívica 🏴 시민당 | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I would also like to point out, in response to earlier comments from Mr. Pritchard, that 75% of the Libertarian ministers in his Government are from the Cadfeal Government. It may have been nine years ago, but it doesn't change a thing; so much so that the ministers of that terrorist regime are back in office. You, Mr. Pritchard, are an accomplice to the reintroduction of agents of national destruction to our government. Oh Seung-ki, MP Member for Elbian |
| Date | 00:56:19, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The last election was conducted under free and fair conditions. Since then, the Dranish Union of Metzists have been banned. That is unfortunate. But it has happened - and it has happened, I may add, because of the DUM's own criminality, not because of any unfair persecution. It is not our fault that the DUM have betrayed their own supporters in this despicable way. Another round of elections would only generate more uncertainty and stability. Our responsibility now is clearly to provide Dranland a government - and provide Dranland with a government we will! Taoiseach Aled Pritchard MP |
| Date | 01:08:18, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Drania Cívica 🏴 시민당 | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, It is blatant fact that the last elections were plagued by fraud, it is laughable to suggest the elections were fair. A large portion of the seats in parliament were achieved illegitimately and it is entirely uncertain what the composition of parliament would be if the elections had been truly fair. Oh Seung-ki, MP Member for Elbian |
| Date | 01:20:14, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Koalisjon for frigjøring | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | OOC: Oh C'mon! I want seats Aquinas, please vote for early election. |
| Date | 01:36:33, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Ulbrachian High Court made clear there is no evidence of actual vote-rigging at the last election. What was discovered was that the DUM had forged signatures in order to get themselves on the ballot paper. As I said before, it is entirely the DUM's own fault that they have gotten into trouble with the law. It is them who betrayed their supporters - not us. The responsibility of Parliament is now to provide Dranland with a stable government - and that is precisely what we in the GNP are pressing ahead with trying to do. Taoiseach Aled Pritchard MP OOC: I understand your frustration, Ege, but with respect, I think we need to get away from this attitude that Particracy is just about making sure every player has seats all the time. It isn't - and we all need to be patient! Frequent elections disrupt the roleplay. To be honest, I also wish that when players closed parties, they did so at a time that is considerate to the gameplay (ie. just before an election) rather than at a time that is inconsiderate to it (ie. just after an election). |
| Date | 09:24:11, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Unity | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Some 34% of Dranish citizens voted for a party they had no idea was competing illegitimately. Those 34%, more than 21 million people, now have no voice at all in this parliament, and the Taoiseach has made it perfectly clear he does not think they should have one. This is nothing short of an anti-democratic disgrace. Robert Mead Unity Party leader |
| Date | 17:38:36, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Honourable Gentleman should hold the DUM's management responsible for their betrayal of their supporters, not me. My government is getting on with fulfilling its responsibilities - which means providing Dranland with a stable government. Taoiseach Aled Pritchard MP |
| Date | 18:12:18, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Koalisjon for frigjøring | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | OOC:You may not aware of it but most countries with proportional representation have a kicker for early elections. This level is about %33 percent or 1/3rd of the parliament, if 1/3rd of MPs resigned it automatically forces for an early election. So not holding an early election is unrealistic. |
| Date | 18:49:20, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Grand National Party | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | OOC: Ege, what you are effectively saying is that one player should be able to win the most seats at an election, play along for a day or two and then disrupt the flow of the game by deactivating his party, setting up a new party and demanding an early election so he can have another go at winning seats. That demand is not very reasonable and not very fair on the other players, is it? I've seen it happen time and again in Dranland - almost always by the same people - and it becomes irritating. It messes up the game. Think of competing in an election as like playing a round of a game. If you stand in the election, you commit yourself - so far as you reasonably can - to carry on playing until the next election is close approaching. If you're going to leave, try to leave just before an election rather than just after it. Sounds fair? Elections should be held when it is the right time for them to be held, not just to suit the personal convenience of players who join and then leave on a regular but unpredictable basis. |
| Date | 19:35:59, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Drania Cívica 🏴 시민당 | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | OOC: My vote is going to no for OOC symbolic purpose. As Aquinas has pointed out, this is not right. Early elections should not serve OOC interests. There are parties in this nation which have, on numerous occasions, deactivated right after elections; and in some cases, deactivated right after elections, only to reactivate immediately. There are also numerous incidents where parties have reactivated, won many seats, only to go immediately inactive, leaving us to wait 7 days to remove the large inactive party. Maybe it wouldn't matter in some other country that isn't all that active in RP. But Dranland is by far the most active nation and when this sort of stuff happens, it majorly disrupts a normal and regular flow for RP. Further, players should commit themselves, as Aquinas says, to at least the next election. And it my opinion that if you don't intend to be in Dranland for at least a week, then don't come here; unless its a very specific circumstance of RP or whatever. Dranish players must be active and committed. And, related to that, we should do a second attempt at imposing the 3-day deactivation since right now it only applies to those of us that voted yes on the first attempt. |
| Date | 19:36:58, November 18, 2013 CET | From | Dranish Agrarian League | To | Debating the Call for early elections, January 3578 |
| Message | OOC: In my defence, I never demanded an early election... And there is no number set anyway for triggering early elections. The power to call elections is in the hands of those with seats, whether they be 50 or 250. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes | Total Seats: 73 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 148 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 40 |
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