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Bill: Reichsversammlungsgesetz, 3586
Details
Submitted by[?]: Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3587
Description[?]:
| GESETZ zur Einstellung eines Länderrates beim nächsten Landtagswahl, um die Reichshofen im Reichsversammlung zu ersetzen. (BILL for the institution of a Council of the Lands at the next Land Diet elections, in order to replace the Imperial Courts in the Imperial Assembly) BE IT ENACTED by His Imperial and Most Illustrous Luthoran Majesty, Kaiser Otto of Hulstria, and His Imperial and Heavenly Majesty, Mikado Okatori Akihiko of Gao-Soto, by and with the advice and consent of the Imperial Diet and Imperial Courts of Hulstria and Gao-Soto, at Kien assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows- (A quick OOC primer on the terms used: Reichsversammlung (Imperial Assembly): name used for the entire Parliament of H&GS, consisting at this point of the Imperial Diet and the Imperial Courts. Reichshofen (Imperial Courts): the current upper house of the Reichsversammlung, consisting of one-fifth appointed and four-fifths elected "Lords of the Court", acting as a house of sober second-thought with a suspensive veto. Constitutional Restoration Act: Act promulgated by Verfassungsvater (Father of the Constitution) Tomas Michels after the September Revolution which restored the previous constitutional order, which is now in force.) 1) Composition of the Reichsversammlung (1) The Imperial Assembly (Reichsversammlung, Mikoku-Sokai) shall henceforth consist of the Imperial Diet (Reichstag, Mikoku-Gikai) and the Council of the Lands (Länderrat); (2) The Imperial Diet shall continue to function under the terms of the Constitutional Restoration Act; (3) The Länderrat shall replace the Imperial Courts as the upper house of the Reichsversammlung; the Imperial Courts shall revert to their ceremonial function on occasions such as Imperial Coronations. 2) The Länderrat and its membership (1) The Länderrat shall be the upper house of the Reichsversammlung; it shall consist of the governments of the Crownlands; (2) The configuration of the membership of the Länderrat shall depend on the measure under discussion, at the discretion of the Crownland Governments; in principle, the responsible Minister at the Crownland level and/or the Minister-president shall represent a Crownland in the Länderrat; (3) The weight of votes in the Länderrat shall be readjusted from time to time to reflect population size; (4) The Länderrat shall determine its own rules concerning its presidency. 3) Competence of the Länderrat (1) It shall be the duty of Their Imperial Majesties' Government and the President of the Reichstag (in case of initiatives by private members) to lay before the Länderrat any proposed instruments of law; (2) In matters of shared jurisdiction between the National and Crownlands Governments, or of Crownland Government jurisdiction, the Länderrat shall have the power to return proposed instruments of law to the Reichstag with objection; (3) In all other matters, the Länderrat may deliberate on the proposed instruments and register its opinion, but its objections shall not have any impact on the force of law; (4) In matters of shared jurisdiction between the National and Crownlands Governments, or of Crownland Government jurisdiction, the representatives of the Crownlands in the Länderrat may ask questions of, or initiate debates with, Their Imperial Majesties' Government. (5) The Länderrat does not have the power to dismiss Their Imperial Majesties' Government or one of its Ministers, but it may register its objection to a Minister of Their Imperial Majesties' Government to the Reichstag, which shall then debate it. (6) Proposals of law shall not originate in the Länderrat; however, in matters of shared National-Crownlands jurisdiction, the representatives of any two Crownlands in the Länderrat may put an initiative on the agenda of the Reichstag. 4) Commencement (1) This Act shall commence at the election of the next Land Diets and Reichsversammlung; (2) The first Länderrat shall be constituted in the first Reichsversammlung to be convened after the passage of this Act; (3) Until such time as the first Länderrat be constituted, the Reichshofer shall continue to function as the upper house. SCHEDULE I: New enacting clauses (OOC: There's also a Kunikata version but I don't know how to translate, so I only give the English and German ones) In cases in which the Länderrat is competent: BE IT ENACTED by His Imperial and Most Illustrous Luthoran Majesty, Kaiser Otto of Hulstria, and His Imperial and Heavenly Majesty, Mikado Okatori Akihiko of Gao-Soto, by and with the advice and consent of the Imperial Diet and the Länderrat of Hulstria and Gao-Soto, at Kien assembled, and by the authority of the same, as follows- ERLASSEN vom Seiner Kaiserliche und Erlauchte Luthoranische Majestät, Kaiser Otto von Hulsterreich, und Seiner Kaiserliche und Himmlische Majestät, Mikado Okatori Okahiko von Gao-Soto, vom und mit Rat und Zustimmung des Reichstages und Länderrates Hulsterreichs und Gao-Sotos, in Kien versammelt, und auf Autorität des gleichen, wie folgt- In cases where the Länderrat is not competent: BE IT ENACTED by His Imperial and Most Illustrous Luthoran Majesty, Kaiser Otto of Hulstria, and His Imperial and Heavenly Majesty, Mikado Okatori Akihiko of Gao-Soto, by and with the advice and consent of the Imperial Diet of Hulstria and Gao-Soto, at Kien assembled, having observed the Constitutional rights of the Länderrat, and by the authority of the same, as follows- ERLASSEN vom Seiner Kaiserliche und Erlauchte Luthoranische Majestät, Kaiser Otto von Hulsterreich, und Seiner Kaiserliche und Himmlische Majestät, Mikado Okatori Okahiko von Gao-Soto, vom und mit Rat und Zustimmung des Reichstages Hulsterreichs und Gao-Sotos, in Kien versammelt, mit Beobachtung der Verfassungsmäßige Rechten des Länderrates, und auf Autorität des gleichen, wie folgt- How this will work OOCly: - The Länderrat will be RPed occasionally, when it suits us and might make things more interesting. Most of the time, though, it will tacitly agree. - The composition of the Länderrat is based on that of the Crownland governments: therefore, government composition matters. It is usually assumed that coalition preferences apply in the Crownlands as they do nationally, but with 8 parties this is going to be a little more difficult, so after each election, I think it might be best to have everyone quickly post his preferred coalition in each Crownland, which are then matched. In any case, the winner in the Crownland is usually assumed to lead the new coalition and have first pick of coalition partners. We can decide about ministerial portfolios ad hoc when needed. - The proposal system has to go first, so the initial assumption will be that the only bills on which the Länderrat is competent will be RP bills (of course, this is convenient as the proposal system allows little relevant distinctions). On RP bills, after it has been sent to a vote, we can, if we're interested, RP the discussion in the Länderrat (this would require that everyone flag the "Automatically follow posts on all bills in our nation" box in their Message Center, which is smart to do anyway). If it emerges that the Crownlands register an objection and return the bill to the Reichstag, since it's only a RP bill, the player in question can reintroduce his bill to remedy the objection. - In the rare case that a proposal variable would be altered in an area where the Crownlands have some competence, we can also choose to RP the discussion in the Länderrat but of course we cannot change the outcome of the Reichstag vote. What we could do is say that in these cases, either the Länderrat relents after considerable opposition or it returns the bill and can force RPed provisions (for example, if the Crownlands are responsible for higher education as they are now and we submit a bill to change qualifications, we could say the gist of the bill passes but the Crownlands demand that they be allowed representation on the committee that sets the qualifications). - The Länderrat's initiative rule is just for flavour. It works in the same way as introducing a bill as one of your characters, but then two Crownland representatives petittion the Reichstag for something. - The same goes for the Länderrat being able to force confidence votes in the Reichstag. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Privileges of nobility (if nobility is recognised by the government).
Old value:: Nobility confers titles and minor political rights, but no direct control over people or land, and can be hereditary.
Current: Nobility confers only titles and certain minor rights, but no political powers, and can be hereditary.
Proposed: Nobility confers only titles and certain minor rights, but no political powers, and can be hereditary.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 10:58:13, December 05, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Reichsversammlungsgesetz, 3586 |
| Message | (OOC: Alain, as our resident German, can you check the German used in the bill?) |
| Date | 17:05:36, December 05, 2013 CET | From | Hosianisch-Demokratisches Verbund | To | Debating the Reichsversammlungsgesetz, 3586 |
| Message | Herr Präsident, As promised earlier, we bring to the Diet today a measure to reform the upper house to be organised on a more democratic basis, accordingly removing the last of the peerage from the Reichsversammlung so that the nobility is now a purely honorific and social institution, thus hopefully removing any objections other members of this body might have. The reform fits into the general tendency of the Diet and parties in it to decentralise more and more power to the Crownlands: we propose to replace the Imperial Courts into a new institution known as the Länderrat, which would have as its purpose to make local voices heard and to better coordinate policies in areas of shared and Crownland competence, and to be a local advisory voice where the national level has jurisdiction. We believe that this bill is a positive influence: it solves the dispute on the nobility with a compromise and makes it into the socially integrative and merit-rewarding institution it should be and recognises the increasing importance of local voices within our political system. On balance, I hope the Reichstag will support this bill in great numbers. Matiasu Fukuyama, MdR (HDV - Schneeberge Takayama, Mitrania) Klubobmann und Parteiobmann des HDVs |
| Date | 17:15:21, December 05, 2013 CET | From | Liberale Volkspartei | To | Debating the Reichsversammlungsgesetz, 3586 |
| Message | OOC: The German isn't perfect, but it's mostly good enogh to get the point across. However, "Reichshofen" makes no sense as a term, which isn't really a problem since it's going to be abolished anyway (perhaps Reichsstände would be the correct one to use). |
| Date | 00:05:46, December 06, 2013 CET | From | Wirtschaftliche Autonomie Partei | To | Debating the Reichsversammlungsgesetz, 3586 |
| Message | This is acceptable, if not ideal. Joachim Groschen WAP Whip |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 498 | |||||||
| no | Total Seats: 145 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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