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Bill: Return to Justice Bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Calvinist Unionist Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2052
Description[?]:
| This bill is to help restore our Justice System in this country, seeing how the lax laws inacted by former governments has had negative results. Seeing how a previous government took the guns away from out police force, we believe we need to give them their guns back. There are thousands, nay, TENS or maybe even HUNDREDS of thousands of villains roaming our country, and many of them are armed with ILLEGAL guns and weapons. By re-arming our police force, even if only with small calibur weapons, we can begin to fight back against the crime-lords who effectively can do whatever they want without reprimand(due to the fact that we have only a few hundred, maybe a few thousand, of people with weapons. Also, people who have commited crimes against humanity, high treason against the state, and terrorism are allowed to live. We believe that they(and ONLY THEY) should be able to be executed if the court finds that they should be. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The weapons used by police forces.
Old value:: Police officers may only carry non-lethal weapons.
Current: Police officers carry standard firearms.
Proposed: Police officers carry standard firearms.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:59:53, May 13, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Debate this. I am willing to take away one or the other, but not both. However, I'd like to keep both... |
| Date | 05:34:20, May 13, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | absolutely no way. they kill someone you kill them and you dare consider yourself better than them? |
| Date | 06:52:50, May 13, 2005 CET | From | House of Thompson | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | I agree with the NFP. |
| Date | 08:11:14, May 13, 2005 CET | From | Christian Social Union | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | If you drop the first one, you will get my support. |
| Date | 11:47:02, May 13, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Peoples Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | We agree with the CSU. |
| Date | 13:54:38, May 13, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | NFP: Will you back it if I take off the first article? But anyhoo, here's why I put the first one: Lets say General Mr. Terrorist is a former army officer turned terrorist, who blows up schools, malls, apartments, government buildings, etc. He THEN goes on a rampage, torturing thousands of people to death, and just plain killing thousands more. Eventually, he gets caught. Are you willing to let this scum of the earth live? It's not like we're killing hundreds of people. We would probably kill maybe, oh, 1 person every 15 years. Oh, and by the way, I take this article a bit to heart since my life was changed by a terrorist attack(not 9/11, but on March 17 2002 there was a church bombing in Pakistan a hundred yards away from me. Seeing a terrorist attack up close changes the way you like at things.) Of course, if progress says ditch it... |
| Date | 15:28:11, May 13, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | are you doing it for justice, or vengance? or can you not tell the difference between the two? |
| Date | 00:49:42, May 14, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Justice. If these men are allowed to live, even THOUGH they have commited crimes that ANY court would find worthy of death, then THAT is a crime in itself. Doing it for vengance is not a good thing; doing it to give the families of the thousands of dead justice is. |
| Date | 02:20:57, May 14, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | An eye for an eye and the world goes blind. Furthermore, the state has no right to take life. |
| Date | 10:02:29, May 14, 2005 CET | From | Christian Social Union | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Quite right. The state must not take what it cannot grant. |
| Date | 10:47:27, May 14, 2005 CET | From | House of Thompson | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | We are 100%, no 190% against this bill. Our 107 votes will go against this. |
| Date | 11:02:39, May 14, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Peoples Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Again, we only agree on the second article for various reasons mentioned by several other parties in this debate. |
| Date | 14:47:16, May 14, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Fine then. I'll just bring up the first one when I am in a state of more power... |
| Date | 15:19:55, May 14, 2005 CET | From | Christian Social Union | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | That's the spirit. |
| Date | 17:45:19, May 14, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Hey, NFP, why did you vote "no". I understand that you were against the executions, so I took it away, but you are against letting our cops defend themselves? Listen, right now this is the situation: Mafiosos with Assault Rifles > Cops with tasers. See what I mean? |
| Date | 04:05:46, May 15, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Ironically...you now have a great deal of power... :p The people heard your call...lol |
| Date | 15:20:58, May 15, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Yes. Finally, saftey can return to our nation! |
| Date | 18:16:38, May 15, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Yes. Finally, violence and death can return to our nation! or 'safety' whatever you want to call it :rolls eyes: |
| Date | 19:46:43, May 15, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | You think that having well armed mafiosos mowing down our cops ISNT violence and death? Or is that "safety"? Something tells me you like the mafiosos, gang members, and terrorists more than your own people.. |
| Date | 23:20:31, May 15, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | what the hell are you talking about? the illegality of guns forces the things onto the black market. the black market prices are prohibitively higher than anyone but the absolute richest criminals can afford. and the absolute richest criminals are not going to be mucking about with mere firearms anyway. |
| Date | 23:53:14, May 15, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | News flash: assault rifles were ALREADY black-market, and people had no problem getting a hand on them. Also, Mafias are rich, and they're deadly. When we try to take down their operations, they respond in kind by attacking us: with assault rifles. They can afford it, and they will do it. At least arming them with low-calibur pistols will give our men in blue(OOC: What are they in, anyhoo?) a chance against these thugs. |
| Date | 23:53:58, May 15, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | Not to mention, in large parts of the world you can buy AK's on the cheap(for about $20 on the black market). Something tells me the average criminal can afford that. |
| Date | 02:28:28, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Return to Justice Bill |
| Message | If the Technocratic party represents violence, then why in gods name did they gain such a large portion of seats in the last election, while the apparently "safe" NFP lost 50% of its seats...? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 336 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 172 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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