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Bill: Cabinet Proposal of April 3630
Details
Submitted by[?]: Allied Humanists
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill presents the formation of a cabinet. It requires more than half of the legislature to vote yes. Traditionally, parties in the proposal vote yes, others (the opposition) vote no. This bill will pass as soon as the required yes votes are in and all parties in the proposal have voted yes, or will be defeated if unsufficient votes are reached on the deadline.
Voting deadline: August 3632
Description[?]:
| Apologies for the lapse in time for proposal as I wasn't aware of the elections. This serves as my proposed Cabinet for our tenure as ruling party. Michael Struudel Head Of Government Chairman, Allied Humanists |
Proposals
Article 1
As per the Constitution, the President of the Commonwealth chairs the cabinet.
Article 2
The responsibilites of Science and Technology will be conducted by the 
Great National Republican Guard
Article 3
The responsibilites of Food and Agriculture will be conducted by the Grand Nationalist Fraction
Article 4
The responsibilites of Environment and Tourism will be conducted by the Allied Humanists
Article 5
The responsibilites of Trade and Industry will be conducted by the Allied Humanists
Article 6
The responsibilites of Foreign Affairs will be conducted by the Allied Humanists
Article 7
The responsibilites of Internal Affairs will be conducted by the Allied Humanists
Article 8
The responsibilites of Finance will be conducted by the Grand Nationalist Fraction
Article 9
The responsibilites of Defence will be conducted by the Allied Humanists
Article 10
The responsibilites of Justice will be conducted by the Allied Humanists
Article 11
The responsibilites of Infrastructure and Transport will be conducted by the Grand Nationalist Fraction
Article 12
The responsibilites of Health and Social Services will be conducted by the Grand Nationalist Fraction
Article 13
The responsibilites of Education and Culture will be conducted by the Grand Nationalist Fraction
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:43:46, March 02, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Allied Humanists believe that being the largest party makes them "the ruling party" - but they are not in the cabinet: http://classic.particracy.net/viewcabinet.php?nationid=19 With 355 seats, the ruling coalition still has a solid majority, and we already passed a cabinet proposal to begin a new executive term since the last election: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=403053 Michael Struudel is not the Head of Government. He is the Opposition Leader: http://classic.particracy.net/viewnews.php?newsid=413666&nation=19 -- Rolf Orman, Chairman of the NRG, President of Lodamun |
| Date | 07:49:45, March 03, 2014 CET | From | Allied Humanists | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | Oh be quiet Siggon -_- |
| Date | 07:51:08, March 03, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | OOC: Did my characters say something wrong? Oh wait, no... yours did. |
| Date | 07:52:57, March 03, 2014 CET | From | Allied Humanists | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | An underhanded attempt at forming a government without the knowledge of other parties is what I would expect from the NRG and as such we move to challenge said cabinet as it seems highly in favor of treason for the current coalition to form government without the party receiving the most votes to govern the country as this is a "democracy". Michael Struudel Elected Head of Government by the people Chairman, Allied Humanists |
| Date | 07:57:42, March 03, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Michael Struudel clearly doesn't understand the concept of a coalition. No single "party" is in power, especially since no party has a solid majority of the seats. It takes 300 seats for a government to be legitimate, and the current ruling coalition has 355 seats. The formation of the government was not in secret. It was to the knowledge of all parties. The Humanists abstained on the bill. By the way, it was proposed by the P&A, not the NRG: http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=403053 This is a democracy. The ruling coalition, made up of the NRG and the P&A, is supported by over 58% of the citizens. The Allied Humanists are supported by less than 42% of the citizens. -- Rolf Orman, Chairman of the NRG, President of Lodamun |
| Date | 08:03:39, March 03, 2014 CET | From | Allied Humanists | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | It was done without the knowledge of this party, had we been aware of it then we most certainly would not have abstained. This, we admit, is due to unforeseen circumstances which led to a momentary lapse of judgement on the part of the user in remembering the date of the election and as such the proposals made post-election went unawares. Michael Struudel Elected Head of Government by the people Chairman, Allied Humanists |
| Date | 08:10:58, March 03, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The new government was not formed in secret. The Allied Humanists are ignorant, not innocent. They were able to know and they refused to. Regardless, the constitution states that over half the seats of the Presidium are needed to form a government. The Allied Humanists have less than the 300 required seats. They did not have a majority of support from the people in the last election. Mr. Struudel's claim to be the "elected head of government" is therefore false. Together, the ruling parties had over 58% of the people's support, and enough seats to maintain a coalition. -- Rolf Orman, Chairman of the NRG, President of Lodamun |
| Date | 08:16:19, March 03, 2014 CET | From | Allied Humanists | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | Having a COMBINED majority doesn't make one's legitimacy as deserving. What does is receiving the highest votes and winning fairly without the need of a coaltion to gain power. To be clear, you are ignorant of the circumstances in which the user came under and as such do not pass your place to deem the user ignorant. Do no dare to assume a refusal on our part to acknowledge this election. Michael Struudel Elected Head of Government by the people |
| Date | 08:25:32, March 03, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Nowhere in the constitution does it state that the party "with the highest votes" can form a government by itself unless it has 300 seats. A party or coalition needs to have a majority of the seats in the Presidium to form a government. We ask that the Allied Humanists make themselves aware of Article 7 of the constitution, specifically section 2, where it states that "Any cabinet must be ratified by the agreement of more than a half of the Presidium" - proposals by the Allied Humanists have not met this requirement. -- Chandler Huddleson, Justice Minister |
| Date | 00:55:13, March 04, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Cabinet Proposal of April 3630 |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We find it funny hilarious that the Allied Humanists would imply that they are "without the need of a coaltion to gain power" - we would love them to try passing a cabinet bill by themselves. It takes 300 seats to approve a cabinet, and no party in Lodamun has 300 seats. How will a cabinet be formed without a coalition unless we agree to a minority government? Isn't this cabinet proposal itself calling for a coalition among 3 parties? The combined majority of 2 parties is more legitimate than a single party with no majority at all. -- Rolf Orman, Chairman of the NRG, President of Lodamun |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 360 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 239 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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