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Bill: Euthanasia Act.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Party of Evil
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: November 2165
Description[?]:
| We propose to take the current euthanasia policy one step further. Too often people who are too old or too terminally ill to take care of themselves continue to live and suffer. If they are afraid to make the logical and patriottic decision to have euthanasia performed, the Government is obliged to help them. Simple, human decency demands that we help those who are afraid or unable to help themselves. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The right to euthanasia.
Old value:: Euthanasia is allowed with consent from the patient and the treating doctor.
Current: Euthanasia is only allowed with consent from the patient and a court order.
Proposed: Euthanasia is mandated for the old and sick
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 17:16:57, December 30, 2005 CET | From | Kundrati Socialist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | "Human decency" demands we forcibly murder the old and sick? Opposed. |
| Date | 14:47:56, December 31, 2005 CET | From | Party of Evil | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | Oh? You wish to let people suffer because they don't have the courage to end it themselves? |
| Date | 15:52:46, December 31, 2005 CET | From | Kundrati Socialist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | If that is their choice. A person's life is not yours to take away. |
| Date | 18:10:27, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Party of Evil | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | Hey, we kill babies right up until the moment of birth in Kundrati; don't tell me you're getting squeamish now! (Isn't there a way to allow post-natal abortion? Up until the kid starts to talk perhaps? There are plenty of parents who find that raising a kid is more than they bargained for; we should think of their right to have a life of their own!) |
| Date | 20:40:10, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Kundrati Socialist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | Your irrational, "gesture-politics" rhetoric isn't worth a response. |
| Date | 13:28:32, January 02, 2006 CET | From | Party of Evil | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | Only because you don't have one, so nyah! :P |
| Date | 13:58:53, January 02, 2006 CET | From | Kundrati Socialist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | Okay, I'll bite! For one, "the old and sick" are sentient, self-aware human beings. The unborn are not. They are, in the opinion of the KSP, the sole ward of the woman carrying them. It is only by her consent that she should remain pregnant - after all, it is socially accepted that women should not be forced to *become* pregnant (rape etc.), why should they be forced to remain so? Until the baby they are carrying is born, until it no longer forms part of that other sentient, self-aware woman's body, it's none of society's business - and especially not the state. |
| Date | 03:28:13, January 03, 2006 CET | From | Party of Evil | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | (OOC: Forcing a woman to _become_ pregnant is wrong, but different from making her _remain_ so. Firstly, outside of rape, no woman has to _bcome_ pregnant unless by her own choice. Contraceptives are everywhere, and in Kundrati they're even free. Once she _is_ pregnant, it's not just her own business anymore. Unborn or not, a fetus is _potentially_ a full grown, sentient human being, and it takes direct intervention to prevent it from growing up into said human being. By aborting it you deny it the life it would have had otherwise, and if that is not a violation of the most fundamental human right of all, I don't know what is. Saying 'It's not really human' is just a fallacy. And if a woman can't be bothered to use contraceptives like a responsible adult, it's certainly not the child that should pay the price! Oh, and just to make sure: my advocating euthanasia for the sick and elderly is _strictly_ roleplaying as an Evilist on my part. I find that jsut as Evil as aborting a child./OOC) IC: How many people who're senile or suffering from Alzheimer's can be considered sentient? How many patients in a permanent coma? How many with brain damage? |
| Date | 11:28:51, January 03, 2006 CET | From | Kundrati Socialist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | What pish. Potential life isn't life. Contraceptives aren't full proof. Accidents happen. All of your arguments are based on fallacies and angry rhetoric - it's the woman's body, it's her choice. Nothing will change our view on this. In the long term, both the mother and society will benefit more from protecting women's rights to determine when and where they give birth. So will their child, if and when they choose to give birth. Consent is also a fundamental human right in that regard. If a woman does not actually consent to become pregnant, she shouldn't have to - saying that just because someone has recreational sex they must give birth if an accident occurs completely negates one simple fact: we don't live in the stone age. As for your comment regarding senility - how can illness negate those human rights? Of course, your highly specific examples - "a permanent coma" etc. - are completely irrelevant, as this law would lead to the brutal murder of EVERYONE who is "old and sick", not just the few cases that might pull at your heartstrings - and even then, it's not the place of the state to intervene. OOC: Thought I'd just respond IC throughout. Pick and choose. :-) |
| Date | 15:32:59, January 03, 2006 CET | From | Party of Evil | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | (OOC: LOL) IC: Giving women a brain was obviously nature's greatest mistake. Making it such an addled brain was the second. But of course nature is female herself... <runs like the devil!> |
| Date | 15:35:05, January 03, 2006 CET | From | Party of Evil | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | (OOC: Oh, and you still haven't addressed my remark about killing babies up until the very moment they are born...) |
| Date | 16:33:03, January 03, 2006 CET | From | Kundrati Socialist Party | To | Debating the Euthanasia Act. |
| Message | OOC: Yes, I did. All the social expectations on women are applicable, whether two days or eight months into a pregnancy. As are the rights of a woman to determine when to have children. Do I personally believe it is right to abort unborn children right "up until the very moment they are born"? Probably not. But then again it is extremely unlikely that would happen - ever - unless the mother's life was in danger. I certainly believe that restricting abortion to the *first* trimester only is absurd; even if I believed in more regulation, I wouldn't support such an extreme reversal of our current policy. And in any case, as I said, I feel the only ethical recourse is to leave the matter in the hands of the woman concerned. *shrug* |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 33 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 210 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 62 |
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