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Bill: A Free Pontesi Part II [B]
Details
Submitted by[?]: SeeYainHell Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2167
Description[?]:
| an extension of the First Great Free Pontesi Bill |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy concerning biological and chemical weaponry.
Old value:: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Current: The nation reserves the right to develop, construct and store biological and chemical weapons.
Proposed: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Current: The death penalty is applied for capital crimes.
Proposed: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change The nation's policy on minimum wage regulation.
Old value:: There is no provision for a minimum wage.
Current: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Proposed: There shall be a minimum wage at a level that a single full time worker on it can adequately subsist.
Article 4
Proposal[?] to change
Taxation of religious institutions.
Old value:: No religions are taxed.
Current: All religious income, despite the use, is taxed.
Proposed: Religions are treated as companies, and all profit is taxed, however, charitable donations are not taxed.
Article 5
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Proposed: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden, except in religious schools.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 03:42:51, December 31, 2005 CET | From | One Nation Conservative Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | May I put the motion before the House, to construct a different bill with articles consisting of 1,2,3,5,6 and 13, my Party would find such a bill attractive. |
| Date | 04:24:45, December 31, 2005 CET | From | SeeYainHell Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | Several articles have been removed hopefully to increase the appeal of this bill to the Conservative Liberal Party We are prepared to compromise on the current articles #: 1, 3, 8, 10 and 11 If any party would like to suggest further articles in the vein of those presented we are willing to discuss them |
| Date | 06:20:50, December 31, 2005 CET | From | THEM | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | nyet |
| Date | 11:09:32, December 31, 2005 CET | From | Pnték Prsakij Prta (Phalangists) | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | Many of these do not make us free, especially the following 2,3,6,7,8,9,10,12,13 Freedom does not mean socialism, freedom means exactly that, freedom from government, yet most of the articles above strive to further increase the size of government, creating the addition of furtehr regulation, and restricting the choice of individual Pontesians, bits of it are ok, but the title of the bill and the aims put across aren't reinforced by the articles within the bill. |
| Date | 16:56:52, December 31, 2005 CET | From | SeeYainHell Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | We will specify the reasoning behind our proposals, for individual debate: Article 1: Everyone may adopt children A continuation of past precedent of universal sexual rights and government non-interference on the basis of sex as furthered by A Free Pontesi part I and other bills... Article 2: Animals may not be used for testing cosmetics products Cosmetics are not products of sublime need, which Grey Reform challenges anyone to dispute and animals invariably must be extended proper rights simply and irreconcilably due to their 1) organic similarity, especially among mammals and supremely among primates, both common victims of cosmetic research but only thinly separated genetically from the Human race by time yet denied even comparable rights, 2) Emotional similarity, Nerve/Pain similarity which is not disputed in the scientific world, 3) If genetic difference is being struck down daily in the Human world, why is the meager and irrefutable absence of difference between human and primate DNA exploited as a means of enslaving that latter race? If this is all on "physical appearance", that reasoning has been struck down by extensive civil rights movements 4) Almost every Pontesian has or has had a pet, and the majority of those who truly love their pets are deeply offended at seeing fluffums the mouse, harry the rabbit and all their friends being slathered with toxins to die a slow and excruciating death We must abide by the maxim, "When one is enslaved, none is free," in other words, freedom isn't particular [Continued Latter] |
| Date | 17:13:12, December 31, 2005 CET | From | SeeYainHell Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | We will specify the reasoning behind our proposals, for individual debate (continued): Article 3: The nation shall never purchase, produce, or store biological or chemical weaponry, for military purposes. Research and development of the technology is permitted Biological weapons are useless except to antagonize the international scene which deeply disapproves of such archaic and vulgar weaponry. Terrorists use disease and chemicals to make up for their lack of negotiating skills, not proud Pontesians. And those Pontesians, wouldn't they be ashamed of their government when one of these foul weapons went off or made it into the environment? Could they tolerate 100 deaths? 1,000? 10,000? They would say "my mother just bled out of every pore while screaming until her vocal cords dissolved" and ask why, if we already had a nuclear arsenal to assert our ability to defend ourselves, why we kept a poison tipped, double-edged switchblade against our neck? What damage could we possibly do in the case of an emergency other than to ourselves by making an enemy see us as terrorists and commit itself to perpetual war when it would have been over in a week? What damage could we do other than obliterate the countryside, evacuate the cities in hysteria and if we do get to use it against foreign peoples, invoke similar treatment back home? This isn't a small, backwater dictatorship which doesn't realize the consequences of terrorism or slip-ups when trying to tame a tiger, let us prove it. |
| Date | 19:42:29, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Friedrich Hayek Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | No to 8, 9, 10 and 12 |
| Date | 17:25:37, January 03, 2006 CET | From | Friedrich Hayek Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | We support only articles 1 and 2 from this bill |
| Date | 17:26:52, January 03, 2006 CET | From | Friedrich Hayek Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | Does the Faction really believe that regulating private clinics will make them treat patients better? Do they honestly believe that private hospitals, with no regulations, would not try and cure people? Make them better? |
| Date | 23:04:38, January 05, 2006 CET | From | SeeYainHell Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | changes made to hopefully help placate the FHP |
| Date | 00:49:57, January 06, 2006 CET | From | SeeYainHell Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | I don't understand whats so awful about having religion's exemption from capitalism removed |
| Date | 20:10:54, January 06, 2006 CET | From | Friedrich Hayek Party | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | Article 3 really bothers us, we are sure that the minimum wage is not there, i feel we would of made it quite clear we would never support a bill with that in. |
| Date | 23:26:25, January 06, 2006 CET | From | Pontesi Imperial Alliance | To | Debating the A Free Pontesi Part II [B] |
| Message | We will not support a bill which will weaken the defenses of our Glorious Republic. End of story. If we are allowing research into biochemical weapons but are not allowed to use them, for whom will the research be conducted? |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 18 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 66 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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