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Bill: Death Penalty.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Fascist Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: December 2171
Description[?]:
| I believe all criminals should be executed. If someone commits a crime he should be executed at once. It will help lower the rate of crimes commited in our country beacuse criminals wonīt commit crimes and those who do will die. You have to put the decent law obeying citizens first and kill all criminal scum. Criminals shouldnīt have any rights. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Government policy with respect to the death penalty.
Old value:: The death penalty is not applied, except for terrorism, treason and crimes against mankind.
Current: The death penalty is illegal and is never to be applied.
Proposed: The death penalty is applied to most minor and all major criminal offences.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:42:03, December 31, 2005 CET | From |  Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | We in Fasces Kromina agree. Some say that killing criminals will just help increasing the crime rate, but this statement is false, democratic propaganda, for three reasons; Put them in jail, and they will be out soon. Remove them, and they will not come back. It is not rocket science, you know. Also, in prison, they are likely to meet others and plan what to do once they get out. Third, it is also important to actively prevent people from beginning a criminal career; Once you are in, you are not likely to ever get out, just take a peek at the record of any criminal - or is it perhaps better to vainly throw away the money provided by honest hardworking citizens on rehabilitation that leads nowhere and let the entire population take the hit? With that said, death penalty will not entirely remove crime, but it WILL decrease the number of criminals. There are atleast two reasons as to why we punish criminals: one is simply to punish them for doing something wrong, and one is to warn others so that they will not repeat it. Some people WILL oppose us whatever we say, because the practice of death penalty "only exists in uncivilized nations". Remember this: If you do nothing wrong, you will not die. We simply want to put the responsibility on the criminals. |
| Date | 20:27:10, December 31, 2005 CET | From | Radical New Party | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | I believe this is an extreme. |
| Date | 20:28:42, December 31, 2005 CET | From | Radical New Party | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | Most minor offenses would be carrying pot.. robbing a mini-mart... small time stuff, things that really don't need a death penalty. |
| Date | 01:18:52, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Fascist Party | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | Robbying a mini-mart isnīt serious? Think of the people that work therer. They might become traumatized for their whole life. |
| Date | 01:30:13, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | Oh, so you in RNP regard robbing a mini-mart - or any other kind of robbing that does not involve extreme amounts of money - as "small time stuff"? In robbery, even if you are not killed or even physically injured, one will often be traumatized. Tell us in FK this: Why should we EVER adapt standards that make it easier for criminal scum to take advantage of? Because it is good for the honest part of the population, or perhaps because you see it as a possibility if everything else fails to satisfy your selfish needs? WHY should we even let people who choose the criminal path to live? Why? They are only good for ruining good human lives, NOTHING else. It's not like you suddenly are kidnapped by some secret policeforce and executed if you haven't done anything wrong. If you did something wrong, well, then you did simply not listen to the warnings. |
| Date | 01:33:37, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | ... But it's not like you are kidnapped by a secret policeforce and executed if you have done something against the Law. Fasces Kromina stands for Law, Justice and Order. What do you stand for? |
| Date | 04:41:27, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Radical New Party | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | Your saying each person is either born to be a criminal or not. That we should just kill off the criminals because they were born that way. You believe in Fatalism too? |
| Date | 12:51:38, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Fasces Kromina Conservatives | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | No, what we are saying is that we can prevent people from getting into the criminal career in the first place, and that those who do get to that point must be sacrificed for the greater good. |
| Date | 23:55:31, January 02, 2006 CET | From | Liberty Party | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | I think we all know what happens when you start encourage fascists to kill people. Our party would like to steer clear of that sort of environment and so we will be voting no. |
| Date | 03:33:50, January 05, 2006 CET | From | Radical New Party | To | Debating the Death Penalty. |
| Message | How do you prevent people from getting into a criminal career? Certainly not by executing people. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 162 | |||
| no | Total Seats: 251 | |||
| abstain |
Total Seats: 142 |
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