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Bill: Ratification of the The Rights of the Child
Details
Submitted by[?]: Radical Freedom Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill proposes for the ratification of a treaty. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor[?]. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 2167
Description[?]:
| This bill asks for the ratification of the The Rights of the Child. If this treaty is ratified, it becomes binding and will define national law. |
Proposals
Article 1
Ratify the The Rights of the Child.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 15:23:00, December 31, 2005 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | This Treaty was originally proposed by the Foreign Minister of the Rutanian Freedom Party, and we feel that it deserves to be discussed in the Rutanian Federal Parliament if only for that reason! We are willing to support this Freedom Party proposal. |
| Date | 18:08:52, December 31, 2005 CET | From |  RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | We are only willing to support the true ORIGINAL Convention on the Rights of the Child, which was proposed by Steve Armstrong. THAT treaty is the REAL international children's rights standard! |
| Date | 18:11:11, December 31, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | The FP's treaty hasn't even got a formal name and is not even the result of a conference, Steve Armstrong's initiative is the result of an invernational conference where the respective States, in exercise of their sovereignty, set clear standards regarding the Rights of the Child. The FP, however, seems to think that it knows things better than the international community! |
| Date | 20:23:55, December 31, 2005 CET | From | Grand Republican Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | The Grand Republican Party will support this excellent proposal, despite the attempts of the RSDP to stop children having rights in Rutania. |
| Date | 23:45:10, December 31, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | "OUR ATTEMPTS TO STOP CHILDREN HAVING RIGHTS?! You are talking utter bullshit!!!", one of the RSDP members yelled out, "It was Steve Armstrong, a Socialist, who first took the initiative to create an International Conference on the Rights of the Child! It was the RSDP which lies at the basis of that document! The document we would like to see ratified is the ACTUAL final document of that international conference! We want children to have rights, but not the semi-rights granted under the FP's weakened version! We want them to give them the full enjoyment of their rights as laid down by the international community in the ACTUAL, OFFICIAL standards! Cease your petty attempts to make it seem as if we don't care abour rights! It is your own Capitalist Coalition which opposes ratifying ANY international human rights standard! WE have proposed the original, real Conference on the Rights of the Child!" |
| Date | 23:52:03, December 31, 2005 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | Also, this would be the ideal situation for the FP and the rest of the Capitalist Coalition to show how hypocrite they really are, is this not a treaty "limiting the sovereignty of Parliament" then? :rolleyes: |
| Date | 13:27:53, January 01, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | What's even more important, the FP's version contains articles inconsistent with the convention and contains articles which are not even related the Children's Rights! |
| Date | 13:28:09, January 01, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | *related to |
| Date | 21:14:15, January 01, 2006 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Party II | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | I'll vote against this treaty which limits the lawmaking capacity of parliament. Besides, this Rights of the Child is just as bad as "The REAL rights of the child". |
| Date | 21:50:53, January 01, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | Nope, it's worse, much worse. The real International Convention on the Rights of the Child is much better. ;-) |
| Date | 02:03:25, January 02, 2006 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | 10 contributions to this debate and 7 have come from those whiners in the RSDP. Notice how they called themselves Socialists ;-) As i have said before, i put this up at the request of ganny, then when he put it up himself, i amended mine to remove bias and crap, i was asked to by several players. |
| Date | 02:57:19, January 02, 2006 CET | From | Radical Freedom Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | Please, Honourable Members of parliament, can we cease the ad hominem in this debate. I regret that the RDSP interpretation of the articles has not been brought to the fore. We *do* support its inclusion into the treaty system in Rutania but regrettably we do not see it getting a supermajority any time soon. I would call upon the Social Democrats to support the inclusion of this version of the Rights of the Child, and then I promise the RDSP we will also support their version to be signed in. |
| Date | 12:59:57, January 02, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | "As i have said before, i put this up at the request of ganny, then when he put it up himself, i amended mine to remove bias and crap, i was asked to by several players." You are telling utter lies, you amended it BEFORE I put the treal version up. I requested you to put it up in good faith, and you ashamed my trust and that of the entire international community. No doubt it were libertarians who wanted to remove "bias and crap", but that "bias and crap" is what the respective STATES in exercise of their SOVEREIGNTY agreed to, and not even one single party has the right to counter that. The INTERNATIONAL COMMUNITY adopted the standards included in the original version, not those of the FP. Just because about 1% of the parties disagree with it, does not give you the right to overrule the Sovereignty of the respective States united in the International Community. We will never allow this semi-treaty to be passed. The articles are even barely related to Childrens' Rights! |
| Date | 13:02:35, January 02, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | It is extremely hypocrit of the Capitalist Coalition to claim the the UDHR "doesn't really do anything" and then wants to get this treaty passed because it is merely a watered down version of the real standards related to Children's Rights! We will not allow the Rights of the Child to be compromised by purely partisan interests! |
| Date | 13:03:27, January 02, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | OOC: The "bias and crap" claims are really utter bullshit, the text is the slightly-amended version of the ACTUAL, OFFICIAL Declaration on the Rights of the Child. ;-) |
| Date | 12:24:55, January 03, 2006 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | Since when did the capitalist coalition say it supported it passing? We dont |
| Date | 13:14:16, January 03, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | You proposed the treaty, did you not? |
| Date | 14:00:24, January 03, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | We vote AGAINST foreign bureaucracy. "You proposed the treaty, did you not?" No, RFP did. |
| Date | 23:20:44, January 03, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | "This treaty was drafted in February 2093 by the Freedom Party." :rolleyes: If you don't want us to ratify it, then why propose it? Is that not a waste of bureaucracy? BTW, what has the treaty itself got to do with bureacracy? Absolutely nothing whatsoever. |
| Date | 23:21:28, January 03, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | And don't pretend you're so anti-bureaucracy, if it was up to you our defence and police forces would have one of the largest bureaucracies in the world! |
| Date | 13:43:07, January 04, 2006 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | Since when did i propose it? I put it up on the game and have not removed it. I have never sought ratification "Submitted by[?]: Radical Freedom Party Status[?]: debate" Not me proposing to ratify it. Idiot. |
| Date | 13:57:24, January 04, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | Who are you calling an idiot, you bloody fool. Look at the f*cking treaty! "This treaty was drafted in February 2093 by the Freedom Party. Status: ratification[?]" Is that not clear enough? YOU have proposed the treaty, and if you did not seek its ratification, then why did you propose it in the first place? And the "I just put it up" argument doesn't work, you modified the treaty, and initiated the ratification process. If you did not want Rutania to ratify it, then why did you initiate its ratification process in the first place? That is just needless bureaucracy and a waste of funds! |
| Date | 14:20:56, January 04, 2006 CET | From | Libertarian Alcoholic Party II | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | Heh, you gotta admit, it is a bit retarded to draft a huge treaty and then try to stop it being ratified. |
| Date | 19:14:51, January 04, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | "If you don't want us to ratify it, then why propose it? Is that not a waste of bureaucracy? BTW, what has the treaty itself got to do with bureacracy? Absolutely nothing whatsoever." I dont know. Ask the Freedom Party maybe? For the record, he may have posted it but he never propsoed that we (Rutania) sign it. "And don't pretend you're so anti-bureaucracy, if it was up to you our defence and police forces would have one of the largest bureaucracies in the world!" No, defence has to be highly funded because you can hardly privatise it. We try to cut down on bureaucracy of it as much as possible, for example by liberalising its purchasing power and the defence industies that serve it (all things that the RSDP has opposed). As for police, I dont know where the hell you got that from - the stats say that I am far more liberal than you, and I have never voted for a single budget propose that increased police funding. "Heh, you gotta admit, it is a bit retarded to draft a huge treaty and then try to stop it being ratified." IIRC, it's just a copy and pasted RL treaty. If Im wrong and FP put loads of work into it then I apologise >.> |
| Date | 23:18:05, January 04, 2006 CET | From | Freedom Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | It was probably a RP copy and pasted treaty, i amended it at request and sent it for ratification at request, only those who wanted it ratified, couldnt ratify it. I dont care about it |
| Date | 23:11:31, January 05, 2006 CET | From | RSDP - Democratic Front | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | That still did not give you the right to OVERRULE the sovereignty of the nations in the international community. |
| Date | 11:34:18, January 06, 2006 CET | From | Liberal Imperialist Party | To | Debating the Ratification of the The Rights of the Child |
| Message | He isnt overruling their sovereignty - they have to ratify it to do that, which is why we oppose ratification. We was acting in an OOC role as a game moderator. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 83 | |||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 487 | |||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 29 |
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