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Bill: Pay yourself bill
Details
Submitted by[?]: UNSC (ONI)
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 3750
Description[?]:
| Will remove the governments expense of paying for or assisting in the purchase of certain procedures or products. Those who wish to buy or preform these actions will need to pay themselves or exercise maturity. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Policy of the government concerning the funding of abortions
Old value:: The government provides abortion funding only for low-income earners.
Current: The government leaves the funding for abortions up to the local governments.
Proposed: The government does not provide funding for abortions.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 04:37:34, October 05, 2014 CET | From |  UNSC (ONI) | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker We see no reason to pay for the actions of others. Especially when we're paying with valuable taxpayer money. |
| Date | 19:04:41, October 05, 2014 CET | From | Liberal Secularist Party | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The government believes that access to the above mentioned products should not be determined by income level. Everyone in Rutania benefits when men and women are able to determine when is the best time for them to begin a family. Children born to parents unready to care for them provides a far greater cost to the state than the subsidies attacked in this bill. We find the last line of the bill's description to be quite telling. Is it really the cost of these subsidies that the UNSC (ONI) opposes or is this merely a screen for what is a patronizing moral objection? We would urge the Parliament to oppose both articles in this bill. Elizabeth Myers, MP Minister for Health and Social Services |
| Date | 21:45:25, October 05, 2014 CET | From | UNSC (ONI) | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker We are talking about adults here, who know what they are doing. Why Should any of us pay the money we work hard for to feed our families to people we don't know and who don't need what we're buying them. Taxes are for essential government work, unless you see giving people less expensive condoms as or more important than the military and police forces which protect our lives you should vote against this bill. And to address the LSP's moral objection theory, is it ethical to force people to pay for what they see as a grievous moral danger? No, it is not. If someone wishes to purchase contraceptives then it is not my place as an unbiased politician to object. However, I am well within my rights to demand that the taxes collected from me and others are put to good, and morally acceptable uses. |
| Date | 16:40:04, October 06, 2014 CET | From | Urban Party of Rutania | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The UPR supports the UNSC on this bill. People are more than capable of paying for abortions and their contraception devices. We feel that the money used for this could be put to better use elsewhere. Konrad Henselder UPR Congressional Leader OOC: Sorry for the inactivity, been busy with school lately. |
| Date | 19:08:25, October 06, 2014 CET | From | The Steel and the Gray | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker -- We believe that the best way to curb overpopulation and the stranglehold that it places on productivity and economic wealth is to make sure that there is no excess of infants. We support the law as it is currently written. -- TSTG |
| Date | 00:52:27, October 07, 2014 CET | From | UNSC (ONI) | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker If we're going to talk about economic strangleholds we may as well talk about the common man, who's trying to feed his family while his money is being taken away for a non necessity. And again, it couldn't possibly be ethical to make someone help you in what they see as immoral. It'd be the same thing as making someone help with a murder. I'd like to say I was exaggerating, but unfortunately, I'm not. |
| Date | 04:04:54, October 07, 2014 CET | From | Liberal Secularist Party | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We wonder if the UNSC (ONI) would defund the military in deference to the many taxpayers who find war immoral? |
| Date | 21:42:33, October 07, 2014 CET | From | UNSC (ONI) | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker Though the LSP's point is very fair, the military purpose is to defend our country and our freedoms, and considering the state of human behavior, this is a necessity, and a Paramount one at that. It is directly responsible for saving lives, while getting help for buying a 5RUT condom is not. |
| Date | 18:39:20, October 08, 2014 CET | From | The Steel and the Gray | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker -- We would argue that condoms do save lives -- from disease, from the misery of being born into poverty, from the burdens of having to pay for wards of the state. We find it ironic to the extreme that the UNSC would argue against "paying now" to prevent unwanted pregnancies because it is too costly to the taxpayer, but they don't mention the "cost then" of having more citizens born into poverty and hardship. Surely the state and the taxpayer would pay more over the life of an unwanted child in the assistance given to that child than the 5RUT it spends now for that condom? -- TSTG |
| Date | 00:05:49, October 09, 2014 CET | From | UNSC (ONI) | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker There are consequences to all actions, including procreation. We may not wish to treat our children as adults, we may want to shield them from disease and hardship, but then we are taking the learning from life. How can we expect our progeny to learn, grow and expand themselves when we are stripping lessons of life from their lives? |
| Date | 19:53:46, October 10, 2014 CET | From | The Steel and the Gray | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker -- Saddling our teenagers with unwanted pregnancies and sexually transmitted diseases are two lessons we can do without. -- TSTG |
| Date | 21:18:46, October 10, 2014 CET | From | UNSC (ONI) | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr Speaker We're adults at 16. Part of being an adult is being self sufficient and mature. Pain and death and disease are all part of life, are we going to shield our children until we fail and they are caught completely unprepared, or are we going to let them suffer, hard as it may be, with only assistance and guidance? We learn by doing, we become responsible when given responsibility. We all fail, so if the questionb I just asked is still not enough, are we going to let our progeny fail withh the dignity of an adult, or in the stifling shield of childhood and mistrust? |
| Date | 19:25:14, October 20, 2014 CET | From | The Unity Party | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | We support article 1 but STRONGLY oppose article 2. We will not support this bill |
| Date | 03:18:51, October 21, 2014 CET | From | UNSC (ONI) | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | OOC: Unity Party, rather than reiterate my positions I would ask that you read through the above debate. Oh, and welcome to Rutainia. |
| Date | 14:19:56, October 22, 2014 CET | From | The Unity Party | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Members of the Parliament We openly support article 1. We think that we should decrease abortions as babels have rights. There should only be ab orations in case of rape or medical issues. But however, if we cut help for contraceptives, then there would more abortion, overpopulation and unwanted pregnancies. |
| Date | 14:31:59, October 22, 2014 CET | From | The Unity Party | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Members of the Parliament We openly support article 1. We think that we should decrease abortions as babies have rights. There should only be abortions in case of rape or medical issues. But however, if we cut help for contraceptives, then there would more abortion, overpopulation and unwanted pregnancies. Sorry for the double post. I wanted to fix my errors |
| Date | 23:39:24, October 24, 2014 CET | From | UNSC (ONI) | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | Mr speaker We've eliminated article 2, is the bill now more acceptable? |
| Date | 13:42:06, October 26, 2014 CET | From | The Unity Party | To | Debating the Pay yourself bill |
| Message | We will support it |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 386 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 169 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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