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Bill: Religious Toleration Act
Details
Submitted by[?]: Conservative Monarchist Alliance
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: March 3749
Description[?]:
| We understand that the majority of the Presidium wants to maintain Lodamese Nationalism as the official religion, and we are prepared to accept that. What we are less prepared to accept are the restrictions imposed upon Hosian religious organisations and Hosian worship. Hosians and Hosian churches should be free to practice and share their faith in peace. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The state's intervention in the appointment of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The state appoints all heads and other ministers of all religions.
Current: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Proposed: The state does not intervene in the appointment of ministers of any religion whatsoever.
Article 2
Proposal[?] to change Government policy towards evangelism and religious advertising.
Old value:: Religions are required to obtain government approval before promoting themselves or advertising in any manner.
Current: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Proposed: Religions are permitted to freely promote and advertise themselves.
Article 3
Proposal[?] to change Remuneration of ministers of religion.
Old value:: The salaries and pensions of ministers of religion shall be borne by the state and regulated by the law.
Current: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Proposed: The state does not intervene in the remuneration of ministers of religion.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 16:28:54, October 24, 2014 CET | From |  Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This effectively kills Lodamese Nationalism. If this bill is passed, it will no longer make sense for Lodamese Nationalism to remain the official religion. Lodamese Nationalism is essentially worship of the state. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Opposition Leader |
| Date | 20:49:55, October 24, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, if this bill passes there will be mayhem in our nation. Trust me. Paul Murphy-Spaak Jr; LNC chairman |
| Date | 22:53:56, October 24, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker All religions especially Lodamese Nationalism must be respected. Something the CMA seems to be unaware of. Matteo Powers Acting President Of GDR Lodamun |
| Date | 00:45:15, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Matteo Powers should understand that in order for the state to respect a religion, it needs to allow it to practice freely. Under the current laws, this liberty is entirely denied to all religions other than Lodamese Nationalism. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 00:46:56, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Lodamese state does not prevent Hulstrians from practising Hosianism freely, in Hulstria. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Opposition Leader |
| Date | 00:49:41, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, We are arguing here for the liberty of Lodamese citizens to freely practice their religious beliefs - whatever they may be - here in Lodamun. Why is that so much to ask? Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 00:51:57, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, Only Lodamese Nationalists should be Lodamese citizens. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Opposition Leader |
| Date | 01:01:52, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, That attitude sums up precisely why this Bill so desperately needs to be passed. Anton Rietveld Chairman of the Conservative Monarchist Alliance |
| Date | 01:11:29, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, This bill is not tolerant of Lodamese Nationalism. Lodamese Nationalism is a religion that is about state worship. 2 of the articles of the bill will destroy what Lodamese Nationalism is. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Opposition Leader |
| Date | 05:40:25, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Movement for Percyism | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The Percy reforms already forsee 'freedom of religion' in private, and that the non-believers of Lodamese Nationalism shall be granted the same rights as the believers. I can not understand why the CMA is claiming that there is no freedom of religion? Only openly spreading and preaching another religion in public places, without consent of the government, is illegal. Monica Arling Chairwoman CDP |
| Date | 08:57:20, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, The CMA wants Hosian dominance, not freedom of religion. They just want to get rid of Lodamese Nationalism so that they can replace it with Hosianism. The point of Lodamese Nationalism was having an ideology to unite the people. The religion of Lodamese Nationalism would be managed by the democratically-elected representatives of the people. We believed that this was better than having a foreign religion endorsed by a foreign monarch. -- Gordon Fertig, Chairman of the GNRG, Opposition Leader |
| Date | 22:44:33, October 25, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | OOC: My understanding was that Hosianism is not a recognised religion and Hosianism organisations/churches are not allowed to organise. Am I mistaken? |
| Date | 06:10:41, October 26, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | OOC: It's not a recognised religion, so it couldn't set up schools under the old law, but nothing was said about Hosians not being allowed to organise. Hosians aren't allowed to promote Hosianism freely. |
| Date | 16:24:57, October 27, 2014 CET | From | Conservative Monarchist Alliance | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | OOC: I would have thought it would not be possible for Hosians to open up a church and hold public services/meetings there, since that could be deemed to be promoting/advertisement. Also, it would be difficult for Hosians to set up churches if the state gets to appoint their religious ministers. Presumably, though, they could hold religious meetings quietly, in private houses etc... |
| Date | 17:31:24, October 27, 2014 CET | From | Great National Republican Guard | To | Debating the Religious Toleration Act |
| Message | OOC: Yeah, a true "Hosian" church would have to be a secret one in someone's house or something. It would be unrealistic to have a big visible church with true Hosians. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes | Total Seats: 136 | |||||
| no |
Total Seats: 448 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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