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Bill: Respect to prayer
Details
Submitted by[?]: Catholic Peoples Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: February 2054
Description[?]:
| Given that schools in neighborhoods that are made up primeraly of either Christians or Muslims or other religious groups, we feel that these schools should have the choice wheter to pray in school or not. Parental Councils can have a say in this as well. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The government's policy with respect to prayer in schools.
Old value:: Teacher-led prayers in schools are forbidden.
Current: Teacher-led prayers in schools are encouraged.
Proposed: The government leaves this decision up to the schools themselves.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 14:41:09, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Christian Social Union | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | Oki-doki. |
| Date | 15:24:50, May 16, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | so the muslims in christian public schools are forced to pray to a god they don't believe in? are christians living in muslim precincts supposed to kneel towards mecca five times a day? let the kids pray according to their own religion. don't make them pray according to the teacher's religion. |
| Date | 15:50:03, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Peoples Party | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | ooc: Our nation does not have a precinct school system like the USA irl does, at least it is not recorded in the law that way. So how could you say that the government decides what school a child goes to. Given that the maker of this game is Belgian it would just as much make sense that the parents of this nation decide what school their children go to, 50km away or just around the block. The fact remains that parents usually send their children to the nearest school, along with the children in the neighborhood that in most cases have the same background(ethnic, class, religion). |
| Date | 19:16:03, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | This matter should most definitely be left up to the schools. At the moment private schools are strictly regulated by the government, and since prayer in school is banned...that means there is no prayer in private Catholic schools! Where is the logic? This is yet another issue that the national government has no business in. |
| Date | 22:11:22, May 16, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | it doesn't say that all prayers are banned, it just says that teacher led prayers are banned. a christian living in a muslim neighborhood with a muslim schoolboard and a muslim teacher is supposed to pray to the muslim god? ridiculous. let the students pray the way they want to, and not the way the teacher wants them to. THAT is respect for prayer, not this forced worship bullshit. |
| Date | 23:29:57, May 16, 2005 CET | From | Catholic Peoples Party | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | No one is forcing any praying onto another, not this proposed law, not the school or teacher. The forwardists make up the rules as they go...We wish they would tone down a bit and quit starting this madness everytime a party put up a bill they don't like so much. This is a debate, not kindergarten. |
| Date | 01:40:25, May 17, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | you wish to leave the religious affiliation of the schools to whatever the majority of the neighborhood is. with no mention to the minority religions, you wantonly allow whatever religion is the most prevalent in a particular area to decide how the children of everyone must pray. keep state sponsored religion out of our schools. i am raising my kids athiest, and nobody is going to shove ridiculous superstitions down their throats. let the families of the children teach the religion, not the schools. |
| Date | 02:02:35, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | No one is asking for any such thing, perhaps that is what the CPP wants, but that is not what this legislation says. This legislation says simply that it will be made an issue determined by the Communes, stop trying to make this into something it isn't. |
| Date | 02:47:45, May 17, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | yes, and what do you think a predominantly muslim commune will decide? they will decide that it be best for teachers to lead ALL the students in muslim prayer, regardless of their actual religious beliefs. If you want to learn a religion, go to a church or a mosque. If you want to learn useful skills, go to school. i will not allow the communes to violate the rights of the citizens within them. |
| Date | 03:01:22, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | Yes well good for you. The people will vote how they feel is right. As it stands right now private schools are strictly regulated by the government, so it's not even allowed in privately funded schools! |
| Date | 12:35:03, May 17, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | there's an interesting quote i think you should hear: "democracy is nothing but a mob rule, where 51% of the people take the rights away from the other 49%" i think it was one of the american founding fathers, but who said it does not matter. tell me: if the school board of the local high school decides that they are going to start making the teachers lead the students in muslim prayer, how is that respecting the rights of the minority cathiolics in any way, shape, or form? just because one religion has more members in a certain region than another DOES NOT give them the right to impose their religion on anybody else. |
| Date | 13:47:50, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | The NFP has a point. In PRIVATE schools, they can do whatever the hell they want(they could pray backwards to a rubber chicken for all I care), however, in Public schools there should be no prayer. Seperation of church and state works just fine. |
| Date | 21:37:59, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | PRIVATE schools are HEAVILLY regulated by the state. Therefor, prayer is illegal in these schools as well. So it should be made a local issue. The NFP's narrow-minded view of the Luthori people should not be encouraged, the recent election showed the people's opinion on their attitude. |
| Date | 22:24:05, May 17, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | will you actually read the current law? prayer is not illegal. Teacher led prayer is illegal. thta means that you can pray however you want and the teacher cannot force you to pray, no matter how much the rest of the town wants you to go against your religion. |
| Date | 22:49:48, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Respect to prayer |
| Message | A private catholic school would have teacher-led prayer, and there is nothing wrong with this, but current law says this cannot be done. The students are given no time out of their schedule to pray so they are forced to handle their BELIEFS outside the school. If it were not for this issue with the private schools, we would not support this. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 225 | ||||
| no | Total Seats: 283 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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