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Bill: Valruzian Affairs Debate
Details
Submitted by[?]: Social Libermuns Party
Status[?]: passed
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: July 3767
Description[?]:
| http://classic.particracy.net/viewbill.php?billid=423075 Our party has recently been informed that we may have a neighbour with hostile intent. While the SLP do not wish to engage unnecessarily, we must prepare for all eventualities. I have put this up for debate in the hopes that the Presidium can come to a conclusion that will stop any type of trespass on our home and land. Jeffrey Alan Grant The President |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 01:48:05, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Valruzia is trying to claim part of our territories for themselves. Mr. Speaker, this is a declaration of war for US. We believe we should start immediate negociation for peace and send food brackets to Valruzia poor, as way to gain their support, I suggest we start a black Market in Valruzia These are just suggestion. Evgeny Darklight, opposition leader. |
| Date | 01:55:39, December 01, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. Mr. President. I would to suggest the Minister of Foreign Affairs get in touch their minister and start bringing the situation to a level where both sides understand that war is not an option, especially over something small. We could be increasing trade with each other instead of war mongering. Also a suggestion from us would be to secure our borders in that region considering HLF is still active and Valcruzia should consider that too. Our party stance at moment on foreign policy is not war orientated but to get the sanctions removed and too escalate lucrative trade deals. We wont support a war offensive. However we will support operations against HLF threat. Which is a threat to both Lodamun and Valcruzia they must have some sense in understanding that. Matteo Powers JDP Leader |
| Date | 01:57:12, December 01, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. This is not the middle ages where a country can bribe poor people with food baskets! Money talks and so do governments! Matteo Powers Leader of the JDP |
| Date | 02:40:05, December 01, 2014 CET | From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, our Foreign Ministry contacted Valruzia and waiting for answer. Unfortunately our Foreign Minister is currently in official visit of Republic of Aloria. For now it looks like current cabinet (majority in their Sejm (Diet)) oppose the declaration. Jack Gallagher, Leader of RPF |
| Date | 03:03:07, December 01, 2014 CET | From | People of Freedom (P.F) | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. Whats the governments objective in Aloria? Our party was unaware that this was even going down. We just curious we dont haveto know everything the government does but we would like to keep the government accountable to the presidium and people. Matteo Powers. MP |
| Date | 04:04:01, December 01, 2014 CET | From |  National Unity Party of Valruzia | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | To reiterate what I have said in the message to your Foreign Minister, these proposals are not grounded in reality. The Valruzian people do not support conflict with Lodamun and it is my strong belief that the Conservative Party will drop them when it becomes apparent that their ludicrous suggestions will not receive the backing of the Valruzian populace. Our Head of Government, Stefania Kaszynski, will not sanction any such act so rest assured that we have no intention whatsoever of pursuing conflict. What this does bring to light however is the need for closer cooperation between our two countries in the future. We have articulated to your Foreign Minister a desire to pursue a cross-border initiative designed to stamp out the threat posed by the Hosian Liberation Front once and for all. The ongoing activities of the HLF threatens the stability of North Seleya and we are very keen to see this movement of religious terrorists ended for good. I would urge all of the Lodamese parties to support this initiative both in the interests of halting the spread of terrorism and stronger relations between our two countries. We highly advise the Liberal Communist Party to avoid sensationalised rhetoric - it seldom has a place in international affairs, and this matter is no exception. Regards, Arturo Castro Foreign Secretary of Valruzia |
| Date | 04:10:18, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr Speaker We believe that stamping out the HLF in Lodamun is something that our police must do, what kind of country are we if we are not to deal with our own internal problem We do not want Valruzia interferring in the affairs of our nation even for our own good. Evgeny Darklight, opposition leader. |
| Date | 04:10:34, December 01, 2014 CET | From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Powers, our Foreign Minister Rob Portman is in official visit in Aloria because of withdrawal treaty 'Condamnation of Lodamum'. Let's see: http://forum.particracy.net/viewtopic.php?f=16&t=5956 Sorry that I didn't keep you post. Jack Gallagher, Leader of RPF |
| Date | 04:16:23, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr Speaker, we oppose the government effort to dismantle the condamnation of Lodamun, we believe that treaty represent Lodamun bad past and we should not fight it, we should sign the treaty. and recognize we would no longer do what the international communauty is criticizing us for. Evgeny Darklight, opposition leader. |
| Date | 04:17:07, December 01, 2014 CET | From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, here is explanation from government of Valruzia to our Foreign Ministry: (even I see that they answer here too) ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Dear Foreign Secretary, I apologise for the foolish behavior of Valruzia's other two parties - simply put, this is a case of boys playing at war. The Technocratic Party has historical grievances with Lodamun based on events which transpired well over 650 years ago, rest assured that the Valruzian people do not share these views. The Conservative Party has strong links to the former Conservative Monarchist Alliance - a party which you may be familiar with as they operated in Lodamun until very recently - I suspect their interest in Lodamun has more to do with petty vindictiveness that the Lodamese people do not share their backward views than anything remotely substantive. That said, I have confidence that these proposals will amount to nothing. The Valruzian people are not in favour of blindly entering into military conflict with a nation we have worked hard at restoring relations with. Many Valruzians are happy that Lodamun is moving in a more secular direction and would be loath to see war break out over the Conservatives ridiculous claims to hold sovereignty over Lodamese territory. While their behavior is undoubtedly foolish to say the least, I do not believe that the Conservatives are idiotic enough to pursue military conflict against the wishes of the vast majority Valruzian people. The Technocrats are unlikely to pursue conflict without the support of the Seleyan Union which is highly unlikely to give their approval to what essentially amounts to an act of imperialism. Essentially these proposals amount only to rhetoric, pure and simple. I do not see conflict breaking out between Valruzia and Lodamun, now or at any point in the near future. That said, now would seem to be a prudent time to strengthen the relations between our two countries so the Valruzian people might see the benefit of a strong bond with Lodamun. We are aware that the ongoing activities of the Hosian Liberation Front presents a significant problem for your government; we have evidence that the HLF may be in the process of attempting to set up terror cells on this side of the border. What we would like to propose is a cross border initiative to stamp out this threat once and for all. We would be happy to give the Lodamese Government access to the intelligence that is being gathered by the Valruzian Secret Service alongside personnel and other resources to assist in the halting of the activities of this terrorist organisation. Give this proposal some consideration and feel free to contact me at your earliest convenience. Kind regards, Arturo Castro Foreign Secretary of Valruzia ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ |
| Date | 04:20:14, December 01, 2014 CET | From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Evgeny Darklight here is more about the treaty: http://classic.particracy.net/viewtreaty.php?treatyid=2771 If we want better life for our citizens and growing economy in future, we have to dismantle the treaty which is still signed by 13 countries. |
| Date | 04:32:44, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr . Castro, I read this. "Nation of the world, join the Democratic Worker's Kingdom of Baltusia and Condemn the action of the inacceptable goonvernment of the Lodamun." the Goonvernment ? seriously ? well. I believe we should sign the treaty ourselves and recognize that what we have done in the past was wrong, and that we have no intention to get backward again. After that, we can agreement with individual government to have them pass executive orders to stop the treaty application. the treaty was draft to allow Lodamun to escape sanctions by ending its unfair law agaisnt hosians. not to punish Lodamun with no reason. Evgeny Darklight, opposition leader. |
| Date | 04:33:53, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | OOC ; I,m the player who drafted the condemnation of Lodamun.. |
| Date | 04:35:43, December 01, 2014 CET | From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | OOC: Than I know why you don't want dismantle it :-/ |
| Date | 05:00:58, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr Speaker, I certainly believe the only reason I live is because Baltusia saved me, |
| Date | 05:03:57, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | this was Marnady Evil Inttervention, not Evgeny Darklight |
| Date | 08:14:08, December 01, 2014 CET | From | National Socialist Fatherland Party | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr Speaker, This is a clear violation of the sovereignty of the Lodamese state and is equivalent to declaration of war. We must prepare our armies for such an eventuality. ----- Frederick Kingsley, Party Leader |
| Date | 10:36:40, December 01, 2014 CET | From | National Unity Party of Valruzia | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | As the Liberal Communist Party are not part of the Lodamese Government we will disregard their views as irrelevant - what we are however interested in is the view of the Lodamese Cabinet and whether or not they will support our proposal. The Valruzian Government has a significant interest in the resolution of what has been a historical problem, not only for Lodamun but North Seleya as a whole. We have evidence which suggests that the HLF is in the process of attempting to set up terror cells on our side of the border, we also have a substantial body of intelligence reports regarding HLF operations in Lodamun which we believe would be of significant interest to the Presidium. If the Lodamese Government is not interested in having access to this information then we will respect that decision, however we politely advise that in the interests of the security and welfare of the ordinary citizens of Lodamun that it might be wise to take us up on our offer. Regards, Arturo Castro Foreign Secretary of Valruzia |
| Date | 11:04:03, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, LNC suggests that the Minister of Foreign Affairs, the Minister of Internal Affairs and eventually the Defence Minister make an appointment with a Valruzian delegation to discuss the problem or potential problems. We do believe that Valruzian politics have no intention to invade or annexate parts of our nation, but apparently some fractions do. Hans Dewitte LNC chairman vice-President of Lodamun |
| Date | 13:11:54, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Social Libermuns Party | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, I am backing the suggestion of the LNC. So to the RPF, if you could get Rob Portman and Defence Minister Nelson Gruver in contact with our Kendra Argall that would be great. As their is no threat here, I'm shutting down this discussion and putting this to vote. A yes vote will be confirmation that you have read and participated in this debate. Jeffrey Alan Grant The President |
| Date | 13:49:58, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Speaker, LNC is willing to support by means that we have read this resolution and we are willing to help to look for a solution. Hans Dewitte LNC chairman vice-President od Lodamun |
| Date | 18:38:57, December 01, 2014 CET | From | National Socialist Fatherland Party | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr Speaker, The NCU is pro-war. ------ Frederick Kingsley, Party Leader |
| Date | 19:08:12, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr. Speaker. we oppose declaration of war, this is just a bill put by a single party in Valruzia, it is not adopted. we do not need war. no to war Leia Evil, Shadow minister of peace. |
| Date | 20:12:47, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Grand Nationalist Fraction | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Honourable colleagues, I believe the President is not headed for a war. He just want to take some protective measures and is willing to talk with Valruzian officials. We need to accept that the current government can be overthrown and some other fraction might invade our nation. Hans Dewitte vice-President of Lodamun |
| Date | 21:55:06, December 01, 2014 CET | From | Party of Love and Flowers | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | Mr Speaker Is that Paranoia, while it is possible, it is highly unlikely. Leia Evil, Shadow minister of peace. |
| Date | 23:37:42, December 02, 2014 CET | From | New Democratic Party | To | Debating the Valruzian Affairs Debate |
| Message | This bill wasn't about pro-war and against-war. No war was declared. Government is in contact with Valruzian cabinet. We are for prodiplomatic solution as Valruzian government is. Rob Portman, Foreign Affairs Minister |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||||
| yes |
Total Seats: 350 | |||||
| no | Total Seats: 148 | |||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 101 |
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