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Bill: Government Spending Reform: Prison Systems
Details
Submitted by[?]: Opinion Poll Vultures
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: September 2054
Description[?]:
| Noting the belief in a "social contract", in that the government provides certain services in exchange for public order. We feel that those who break this social contract should be exempt from rewards or other treatment. Simply put, they broke the law and they must now suffer for it. |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Education in prisons.
Old value:: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Current: An education plan for prisoners is provided to improve rehabilitation.
Proposed: Prisoners are not given any form of education.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 02:45:09, May 17, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Government Spending Reform: Prison Systems |
| Message | absolutely no way. 1) you would prefer that criminals just get dumped back into the world the way they were? why not teach them some useful skills so that they can get jobs and HELP society? 2) No slave labor. they might have lost voting rights and other rights as citizens, but they are still human beings and deserve to be treated as such. |
| Date | 02:55:38, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Government Spending Reform: Prison Systems |
| Message | They have broken the law, how is sticking them in a hotel with free room and board, free food, and free exercise equipment going to actually teach them that they've done something wrong? |
| Date | 07:44:52, May 17, 2005 CET | From | House of Thompson | To | Debating the Government Spending Reform: Prison Systems |
| Message | You are wrong sir. Criminals should be rehabilited. You call prisons hotel? I call them a place were a inmate learns from his mistake. That is what prisons should do. We we will never vote for this bill. |
| Date | 19:26:40, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Christian Social Union | To | Debating the Government Spending Reform: Prison Systems |
| Message | What Christian virtue is finer than mercy with failed persons? Our vote will be against. Yet let it be known that we do not endorse "fruitless rehabilitation": If medics have concretly testified an offender as not open to theraphy, then we don't feel it's useful to waste resources on him. |
| Date | 21:33:19, May 17, 2005 CET | From | Seosavists Republican party | To | Debating the Government Spending Reform: Prison Systems |
| Message | against both proposals |
| Date | 02:47:44, May 18, 2005 CET | From | Opinion Poll Vultures | To | Debating the Government Spending Reform: Prison Systems |
| Message | Perhaps the CSU will support this? |
| Date | 12:39:33, May 18, 2005 CET | From | National Forwardist Party | To | Debating the Government Spending Reform: Prison Systems |
| Message | ah, just put it to a vote, let's see how it comes out. |
| Date | 22:10:09, May 18, 2005 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the Government Spending Reform: Prison Systems |
| Message | No way. If these prisoners are released and aren't changed, then they will never get anywhere. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||
| yes | Total Seats: 166 | ||||
| no |
Total Seats: 342 | ||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 0 |
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