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Bill: Humane Criminal Policy
Details
Submitted by[?]: Telamon Social Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This is an ordinary bill. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2168
Description[?]:
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change Prison policy concerning prisoner labor.
Old value:: Able-bodied prisoners have to work during the day.
Current: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Proposed: Prisoners can do certain jobs in prison, voluntarily, for a small wage.
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 12:55:28, January 07, 2006 CET | From | Telamon National Party | To | Debating the Humane Criminal Policy |
| Message | No the current will make them useful to the state help keep our economy running and they will pay back to the people what they took. This will make prison seem more harder and harsh so will make it deter people more. |
| Date | 17:50:43, January 07, 2006 CET | From | Telamon Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Humane Criminal Policy |
| Message | Oh. I just forgot about the deterrent effect. THAT's why there is so much less crime in the US than in northern Europe. The harsh penalties really do seem to work. How silly of me. Allow me to apologise humbly. |
| Date | 08:37:21, January 08, 2006 CET | From |  Federation Under Crazy Killers -- United | To | Debating the Humane Criminal Policy |
| Message | LOL. You think sitting in air conditioned prisons with TV's and 3 warm meals a day is harsh penalties? The conditions in US prisons are way too good. Thats the real problem. They should be eating only bread and water. |
| Date | 09:01:23, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Telamon Social Democratic Party | To | Debating the Humane Criminal Policy |
| Message | Longer sentences and death penalty would do the job of deterring delinquents, were they to do it. Comparing the crime figures with other countries in the affluent west we can see that US crime figures are considerably higher than in other countries. So. Instead of a negative correlation (that would imply that deterrent works) between harsher penalties (longer sentences, resulting in a significantly higher portion of the population being incarcerated, and capital punishment) and crime figures we can actually see a positive correlation. The harsher penalties (longer sentences...) correlate positively with amount of crime. Despite some claims harsher penalties seem (in light of their actual consequences) to be more accurately described as incitements, rather than deterrents. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | ||||||
| yes | Total Seats: 81 | ||||||
| no |
Total Seats: 158 | ||||||
| abstain | Total Seats: 16 |
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