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Bill: OOC: Change in Role Play
Details
Submitted by[?]: Free Democratic Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill is a resolution. It requires more yes votes than no votes. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: January 3970
Description[?]:
| I have seen some role-playing that has been kind of annoying. Some of which includes... 1. Making up events and expecting other parties to recognize them as factual. 2. Only recognizing things as factual that make your own party look good. (I probably am guilty of this. So is Gobbleke.) 3. Constantly gaining up on people. (This is probably not wrong, but it's quite obnoxious.) This whole war has been very annoying, as abc123 and Gobbleke and woasher have made up stuff and expect me to take them as fact. If there's a war, fine, but don't use it to promote your own party. I gave my own party founder a scandal that wasn't necessary to create, and not all of my role-playing has been setting up situations for my party to shine. Is there any other things that are obnoxious right now in the role-play? I'd like to hear you thoughts. |
Proposals
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 00:45:01, March 23, 2015 CET | From |  Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | I'm not convinced there is much can be done about number 1. All text-based RPs are reliant on an element of trust - making up events is the only way that anything will happen. I'm not convinced either that you're correct about number 2. I did the whole pan-Majatran unity pro-Ahmadi thing and it totally backfired. I was happy to keep RolePlaying though. If Number 2 was an issue, I would have pretended it didn't happen. Instead, I had my Supreme President ousted by his Party and roleplayed the changes. I don't think people gang-up, either. It's more to do with Coalitions. One coalition is simply more active in debate than the other. And so it might feel like it's you vs 3 of us but that's only because ROS and SDP don't tend to RolePlay as much or debate. I don't think these are legitimate concerns about roleplay, I think these are more a dislike of the current roleplay scenario. Which is fine and fair and you're of course free to articulate that, but I don't think it's appropriate to accuse other players of making things up when really a few rebel cities and violence isn't major. Hell, I've had RolePlays in this country where there's been two Governments at the same time...that was fun. So it all depends on what the current crop of players as a whole want. But remember that requires communication and this is the first that's been said about an objection to the RolePlay side of life in Solentia. |
| Date | 00:49:12, March 23, 2015 CET | From | SUN | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | ooc: 1) You accepted the reality of the situation in Teshuen. Only now, when your party is under pressure do you say this? I don't understand that. 2) FT had no problem with the SDP-led military forces waste some of his men and surround him. I, or anyone else, playing the game knows you have to play along. But it is hard to look anything but good when the opposition has *accepted the reality* and does nothing 3) If you can't take the heat, stay out of the kitchen. |
| Date | 00:51:13, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | "ROS and SDP don't role-play that much" that is a correct statement |
| Date | 01:03:40, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Radical Republican Party (RRP) | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | I feel obligated to answer to number one, because it feels like i've been the one whom have pushed most for this civil war to happend (With help of other players here of course), however this was how i reasoned: My party was on the way to become more radicalized, i killed my main RP character to create an oppurtunity where a larger change was somewhat legit. So i went more conservative pro-state than before, also pro religion (Before this i was a stern secularist). And then Gobbleke changed aswell, and created a hyper pro ahmadist bill, there i saw an opportunity for my parties radical part to really fire up. So i took it, and i had the hope to create something intressting RP'wise. Which im still working on And if theres a civil war going on and the government isn't super active about it i see it as only natural for the opposition to step up and throw accusations against the government for not doing enough, and saying "this is what i would have done." To get voters to vote for them. It's all about momentum i suppose. And i can see why you feel like there a gang-up against you since there's really 3vs3 in the current situation, but in RP activity it's really just 3v1. So i thing the main thing to do here is to try to encourage ROS and SDP join in, RP is actually really fun once you get into it, something that they will expercience once they join it. |
| Date | 01:10:59, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | In economic situations, I expect to be ganged up upon, by the way. My ideas aren't always going to appeal to everyone, and I understand that. I'm considering every other issue. |
| Date | 01:14:28, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Radical Republican Party (RRP) | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | Something that's also important to note here is that me and Gobbleke isn't necessary allied in this RP event. Sure we agree on the crtiticism towards the state, but we're on diffrent sides. He's more pro-ahmadist while im pro-thognosianist, so would this end up being about religion we would be bitter enemies. Theres a swedish proverb saying "tillfället gör tjuven" which is roughly translated into "Opportunity makes the thief" or "The situation creates the thief". So in the eye's of the opposition and somewhat the peoples eye the governments inactivity became the theif in this situation. Which we in the opposition of course will try to capitalize from as much as possible |
| Date | 14:27:35, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | It's a crying shame because Solentian has a rich RolePlay tradition and it's being blocked by players who don't want to engage with it. |
| Date | 17:26:44, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Communist Party of Solentia (CPS) | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | I would like to say thay it's much easier to play as terrorists because there can be no decisions that are wrong. It's because they are terrorists, all their decisions are bad. I don't know how governments react in wars, and am afraid to make a humanitarian mistake, something very wrong for a decent party (which i'm trying to play). I waited for an advice from LPS, but 1234ppp was not active in roleplay too. |
| Date | 17:48:22, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | Honestly I think this entire thing has been ridiculous. And I agree with everything the LPS has said on the matter. I am not commenting because I don't have time to devote to some nonsense that the opposition parties are making up off the blue. Couldn't I just as well claim that suddenly a meteor shower destroyed the entire town of Mendos and all of the terrorists are dead as well? This entire "civil war" is just silly, at best. Why not just vote on bills and argue about politics instead? That's something I actually enjoy doing. Not reading 50 thousand posts about some made up events and then being expected to keep up with all that. Maybe if each party just made one post about it every day ok, but with 50 thousand posts popping up on the national discussion as well as god only knows how many in various bills. Yeah, no thanks. |
| Date | 18:38:26, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Communist Party of Solentia (CPS) | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | Ok, if ROS and LPS are not comfortable with it, I suggest to end it in a role-playing way. Liberate the cities, defeat the terrorists within a few years. Do you all agree? |
| Date | 18:42:17, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Coalition for National Unity [CNU] | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | There are rules in place if you bother to find and read them. Moderation has placed all such things in the Forums. That us why there is a major difference between roleplaying civil disorder and GodModding. This really is a normal part of this game and has been for the years since it's inception; it is commonplace in every country in Terra and has been for eight years. If you're looking for a basic game engine click-and-play, this isn't it and I suggest you look elsewhere. I honestly can't see a point in coming into an online RPG community with the sole intention of not-engaging, not roleplaying, not bothering about the work other players put in and just voting. There are a host of other more bland games out there if that's what you wanna do but on Particracy, we're a RolePlay community. |
| Date | 18:42:38, March 23, 2015 CET | From | Radical Republican Party (RRP) | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | Just voting on bills will get boring, the lack of RP is what makes many players quit. And calling our RP random nonsens is just plain ignorant. I've planned this, i've been in contact with many players, both here and in other countries. I've read rules and guidelines to make the RP done properly. So please refrain from calling others efforts to creat something intressting as "silly" and "nonsens". This is an RP BASED game, the whole idea is to create events together, be creative and interactive. I've allways tried to use a friendly tone towards my fellow players, i expect the same back from them. |
| Date | 12:27:00, March 24, 2015 CET | From | Free Democratic Party | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | OOC: I want to remind you guys that my actions for my party probably represent my political beliefs (except in real life im strictly pro-life and probably a bit less sympathetic homosexuals) but some of what I do is satirical. Abc123 does the same thing with his party, as he's told me that his party represents a more extreme version of his own view. There's nothing more fun than making fun of your own belief. I think Solentia is the best role play nation on Partictacy. I look at other countries, and they're so boring. |
| Date | 14:05:17, March 24, 2015 CET | From | Federal Green Party (FGP) | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | Meh |
| Date | 15:24:00, March 24, 2015 CET | From | Radical Republican Party (RRP) | To | Debating the OOC: Change in Role Play |
| Message | OOC: I agree with that it's alot more fun to play a party that does not stand for your own belifes. I play a religious, conservative statist party right now. But in real life i'm strictly secular and very liberal on social issues. That is also a good way to somewhat distans your personal self from the RP |
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