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Bill: More substance, less fluff.
Details
Submitted by[?]: Luthori Green Party
Status[?]: defeated
Votes: This bill asks for an amendement to the Constitution. It will require two-thirds of the legislature to vote in favor. This bill will not pass any sooner than the deadline.
Voting deadline: April 2170
Description[?]:
| Due to a recent influx of bills that have only one or two articles, I propose we alter the legislation so that future bills have more substance and less fluff. Do we actually want to know what certain politicians get up to in their spare time? |
Proposals
Article 1
Proposal[?] to change The maximum proposal quota a party can accumulate.
Old value:: 40
Current: 7
Proposed: 30
Debate
These messages have been posted to debate on this bill:
| Date | 19:20:15, January 07, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! Only way for a new party to get seats early on because established parties don't propose many bills. |
| Date | 19:25:08, January 07, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | Yes, but you could consolidate your bills, put five articles in one bill, instead of one. It is hard to vote for twenty bills, when they each contain the same amount of articles as four or five of ours. In anycase, you have good visibility. |
| Date | 19:39:26, January 07, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | wasn't concerned about me as much as new parties that join, and 10 isn't the number of bills you can propose but the number or articles, i propose them individually because the multi ones never gain consensus |
| Date | 19:46:44, January 07, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | I think it's the overall proposal quota we need to reduce. The one that is currently set at 40. |
| Date | 21:02:33, January 07, 2006 CET | From | Social Calvinist Unionist Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | So. |
| Date | 22:01:21, January 07, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | More bills foster greater discussion. The people of luthori deserve it. |
| Date | 03:57:09, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | There, that should be less controversial. |
| Date | 10:18:51, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | Try 20, or even 10. Reducing our current workload by 25% just isn't enough (but I purpose it's a start). |
| Date | 10:20:01, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | Suppose... |
| Date | 10:24:53, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | It won't reduce our workload, if anything, it would increase it. |
| Date | 10:35:18, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | How would not having to constantly log on to vote in ANOTHER dozen NPH bills increase our workload? |
| Date | 10:37:05, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | Decrease the maximum number of proposals you can store, and people will have to propose more bills to not waste their proposals. |
| Date | 10:41:52, January 08, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | This deals with the total number of cumulative proposals: be it a single thirty proposal bill or thirty single proposal bills. |
| Date | 09:57:25, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | like it is hard to log on once every other day to try and silence the voice of the people? |
| Date | 10:08:27, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Luthori Green Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | Um, 48 hours is longer than the voting period. |
| Date | 10:10:29, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | well, it isn't that hard to vote. it takes 3 minutes to read the bills and vote for or against them. |
| Date | 18:55:00, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | We shouldn't have to log on EVERY DAY to vote in about two dozen bills! |
| Date | 19:30:21, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | You shouldn't have to but you are lucky enough to get to. |
| Date | 19:31:16, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | And what does it matter if it is 1 bill or a dozen you have to log on to check anyways, it doesn't take that long to vote on a bill. |
| Date | 23:39:35, January 09, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | It's becoming a burden. You're spoiling the game for other players. |
| Date | 18:26:46, January 10, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | I thought the point of this was to pass bills? |
| Date | 18:27:56, January 10, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | No, the point of it was to control your excesses. |
| Date | 00:39:03, January 11, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | What excesses? Just trying to get Luthori back on track. |
| Date | 09:55:39, January 11, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | No, you're trying to fiddle the game mechanics by forcing the rest of us to vote against bills containing articles we agree with or by becoming inactive because we can't keep up! |
| Date | 11:14:45, January 11, 2006 CET | From | Free White Castle and The People Party | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | Sounds to me like you are a conspiracy nut. I was just proposing bills to define my beliefs. Like now I propose bills to reform Luthori. As for keeping up, it isn't that hard to log on to vote. No one else is complaining. |
| Date | 13:53:55, January 11, 2006 CET | From | Covenanters (IA) | To | Debating the More substance, less fluff. |
| Message | Well the LGP proposed and voted for this bill. |
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Voting
| Vote | Seats | |||
| yes |
Total Seats: 277 | |||
| no |
Total Seats: 398 | |||
| abstain | Total Seats: 75 |
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